[nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
Jessica
jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net
Wed Jun 22 18:01:56 UTC 2011
There are certain types of intersections where no matter how long you stand there and listen to traffic you will never hear a good cycle so in those cases I actually support aps. Just keep that in mind when someone talks about every intersection being crossable by listening to traffic.
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On Jun 22, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
> Anmol,
> It's a nice thought. Maybe it'll be possible, some day. Never say
> never, ri9ght?
> But here's the thing. The two organizations have evolved two
> separate philosophies and mindsets. I'm doing something really bad
> and generalizing. If anyone who knows more than I do wants to correct
> me here, feel free.
> The stance the ACB seems to take more often than not is to make the
> environment more accessible for us. This is evidenced by their
> support for audible street signals (which make a lot of sense to me,
> I'm not really convinced one way or the other on that one yet),
> tactile currency, descriptive movies, the provisions in the ADA to
> make ATMs accessible, the 21st century communications act, their
> support for Randolph-Shepherd, universal design in technology, etc.
> They also use lots of their resources to fight descrimination, at
> least it seems that way to me.
> The NFB, on the other hand, seems to more often than not advocate us
> adapting to the environment. This is evidenced by the strict
> standards of training centers, pushing braille, opposition to the
> tactile currency idea, advocacy of relying on traffic rather than
> audible signals (which makes a lot of sense to me), our philosophy
> that with the right training and opportunity we can compete on an
> equal footing, the idea of the blind driver challenge, etc. Of course
> the NFB sometimes pushes making changes in the environment (technology
> bill of rights, Help America Vote Act, and the ADA which we also
> supported), and the ACB does advocate for quality independence
> training/O&M. But, those are the rough philosophies of the two
> organizations, if we're going by their records. Is the ACB wrong?
> No, I don't think so, but the NFB is more of a fit with my vision of
> blindness. I just think thee two separate methodoligies willkeep us
> from ever uniting as one group...and that's ok. We all have the
> right, even the obligation to advocate for ourselves and those we
> represent. The ACB does it their way, we do it ours. Sometimes there
> is overlap, lots of times our philosophies take us in different
> directions and put us on opposite sides of important issues. When our
> aims are the same (or similar), we need to work together and present a
> united front. When we are at odds (which we often are, the two
> organizations really are very different), we both have the right to
> push our separate agendas and attempt to get our policies implimented.
> Sometimes they win, sometimes we win, that's politics. We don't have
> to be bitter about it and, on the personal level, we can still be good
> friends even when our politics are at odds.
> Just my thoughts,
> Kirt
>
> On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Kirt,
>> You bring some vary valid points, and yes we have beaten the
>> democrats/republicans analogy to death but it keeps coming up as a
>> comparison, so I will just say one thing about this. I may have already said
>> this before on the list, but please furgive me if I have. The blind
>> community is a to small of a community to be divided on partizen lines like
>> democrats and republicans, and our challenges are to great to be divided
>> like democrats and republicans. Sure there will be differences between
>> members of the ACB and members of the NFB on how business should be
>> conducted, but honestly there differences between members of each
>> organization on how their organization should do business.
>> True there were disagreement on how business should and leadership issues
>> causing the split between the NFB and ACB, I consider the leadership issues
>> to be pitty differences. Often when one candidate loses, they and their
>> supporters go and form their on organization or chapter. This happened at my
>> local NFB chapter and as a result we have two NFB chapters in a small town.
>> Now some may consider this to be a good thing, but think about how much more
>> we can achieve if we were one NFB chapter in Fayetteville in recruiting,
>> fund raising and my volunteers for events. In addition, these types of
>> childish arguements causes many blind people who otherwise may be involved
>> in a blind organization to be a "fense sitters". Now using this analogy to
>> NFB ACB, ACB does not have near the funds that NFB has, but they are not
>> poor eather. Their attendence is not as large at the conventions, but it is
>> not small eather. Think if both of these organizations were together how
>> much more money we would have to do policy that each organization does or
>> the advocacy work that each organization does, and think about how much
>> larger the convention would be. We would pack two hotels full or near full.
>> In addition, think about how much venders would be giving out in prizes
>> because now insteading having to spend money to send their workers to two
>> convention, they will only have to send their workers to one convention. In
>> addition, most venders give out big prizes at each convention and if there
>> was only one convention, they can give two prizes.
>> However, you are right in that realistically the two organizations will not
>> merge any time soon.
>>
>> best wishes,
>> Anmol
>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps
>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze
>> among flowers.
>> Hellen Keller
>>
>>
>> --- On Tue, 6/21/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride
>>> into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 2:51 PM
>>> Anmol,
>>> I don't really see a merger happening any time soon,
>>> nor would I
>>> want it to. We've all beaten the democrat/republican
>>> analogy to
>>> death...but imagine Barack Obama and Mitt Romney in the
>>> same political
>>> party. It just wouldn't work. There are huge
>>> differences. It
>>> doesn't make the NFB better for everyone, but it makes the
>>> NFB better
>>> for me. I have lots of respect for my friends in the
>>> ACB who stand up
>>> and fight for their agenda. Lots of the times, it's
>>> the same as mine.
>>> When it's not, we can talk without being jackasses to each
>>> other and,
>>> in a lot of cases, the disagreement actually strengthens
>>> our
>>> friendship.
>>> I say diversity is good, competition is good, we
>>> need a free market
>>> of ideas. I respect ACB and the sincere people there
>>> trying to make
>>> the lives of blind people better. I happen to find
>>> the Federation
>>> philosophy and method more meaningful for me. I want
>>> to understand
>>> the split. From the little bit of studying I've done,
>>> I don't really
>>> think it was petty personal differences but rather
>>> differing
>>> philosophies about methodology and leadership that drove
>>> the two
>>> groups to separate. We can be different without being
>>> petty. We can
>>> disagree without being bigots. When our two
>>> organizations come down
>>> on opposite sides of important issues, as we often do, we
>>> need not be
>>> arrogant or self-rightious because we think we're
>>> right. The fact is,
>>> we disagree. And I think the disagreements are too
>>> central to our
>>> respective organizations for us to ever become one.
>>> But that doesn't
>>> mean we can't be friends, especially on a personal level.
>>> Best,
>>> Kirt
>>>
>>> On 6/21/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Kirt,
>>>> You are bringing up some vary good points...
>>> Understanding the history of
>>>> the NFB and ACB is an import part in the history in
>>> the blind movement and
>>>> an important part in the history of two organizations.
>>> Frankly in it is just
>>>> my oppinion both organizations bring value and have
>>> and continue to make a
>>>> difference for blind people across America on a daily
>>> bases. It is a shame
>>>> that this split happened and just maybe the next
>>> generation of blind
>>>> individuals our generation or those who are younger
>>> then can bring the two
>>>> organizations together once again. Now this is just my
>>> translation and my
>>>> oppinion, but it seems to me that the NFB ACB
>>> split happened over pitty
>>>> differences and two individuals with different ideas
>>> fighting for power. It
>>>> seems to me that the hate the two organizations have
>>> towards each other is
>>>> not as strong amongest this generation. Infact many
>>> members of NABS of ACB
>>>> and NABS of NFB are friends in life and attack on the
>>> other organization is
>>>> usually not allow on each organization's mailing
>>> list.
>>>> Dave, you are right that ACB does not have the same
>>> amount of people
>>>> attending its' convention, but their attendence is not
>>> small eather. I would
>>>> guess 1500 attend the ACB convention and all the major
>>> venders who attend
>>>> the NFB convention attend the ACB convention. There
>>> are also quite a few
>>>> young people who attend the ACB convention.
>>>> Yes ACB does its' business different then NFB, but
>>> thats why they are a
>>>> different organization. However, this does not make
>>> them any worse or better
>>>> then the NFB.
>>>> Just my thoughts and it would be great if we keep the
>>> attacks on each
>>>> organization to as less as possible.
>>>>
>>>> Anmol
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never
>>> make me sad. Perhaps
>>>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is
>>> vague, like a breeze
>>>> among flowers.
>>>> Hellen Keller
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- On Tue, 6/21/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
>>> Our Eyes interview, Ride
>>>>> into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22,
>>> 8:00 pm EDT
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students
>>> mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 12:25 PM
>>>>> Dave,
>>>>> How long ago was this? Things could've
>>> changed
>>>>> since you last went
>>>>> if it's been a while, maybe? And, with respect,
>>> this
>>>>> is a big deal to
>>>>> a lot of us. I know for me it's a lot more than
>>> a
>>>>> "small
>>>>> consideration", I like to know the past as much as
>>> I can
>>>>> because it
>>>>> shaped the here and now. I can read the books
>>> put out
>>>>> by each
>>>>> organization-they probably both have lots of the
>>> truth
>>>>> intermingled
>>>>> with their respective agendas. But nothing
>>> beats
>>>>> talking to people
>>>>> who have studied the issues or, preferably, people
>>> who were
>>>>> actually
>>>>> there.
>>>>> All the best,
>>>>> Kirt
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/21/11, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> The two biggest things I noticed at an ACB
>>> national
>>>>> convention were
>>>>>> that the crowd was considerably smaller than
>>> that at a
>>>>> NFB convention
>>>>>> -- less exhibits etc. too. The second
>>> things was
>>>>> that there were few
>>>>>> young persons -- some but noticeably not
>>> very
>>>>> many. One of the major
>>>>>> things that the ACB has pushed in the past is
>>> that it
>>>>> is different
>>>>>> from the NFB, it does things differently
>>> etc.
>>>>> This doesn't really
>>>>>> matter to younger people though, so they have
>>> little
>>>>> reason to join, so
>>>>>> don't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You guys can spend lots of time on the
>>> history, and
>>>>> differences if
>>>>>> you want -- but what is the point. It
>>> happened,
>>>>> it is over with and
>>>>>> done. Yes we can and should learn from our
>>>>> history, but it is just
>>>>>> one small consideration.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 11:32 AM 6/20/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>>> Dave,
>>>>>>> I do see your point. Those
>>>>> alive at the time are not, and will
>>>>>>> probabluy never be friends. Heck,
>>> getting
>>>>> them to actually talk in
>>>>>>> peace would be the achievement of the
>>>>> century! if such a call were
>>>>>>> to hypothetically happen, how could we
>>> keep it from
>>>>> opening old wounds
>>>>>>> and stoking old fires?
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> Kirt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/20/11, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Dave,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Our joint conference call isn't
>>> associated
>>>>> whatsoever with the
>>>>>>>> proposition of a change in the NFB
>>>>> bylaw. If I'm setting this
>>>>>>>> up, which it appears I am, I didn't
>>> even have
>>>>> the intention of
>>>>>>>> mentioning that proposition on the
>>>>> call. The call's purpose is
>>>>>>>> to learn the history of the NFB/ACB,
>>> with a
>>>>> little emphasis on
>>>>>>>> the "civil war" period, from both
>>> sides so we
>>>>> are informed. I
>>>>>>>> also want this call to start a
>>> discussion on
>>>>> the history of our
>>>>>>>> movement and what we can learn from
>>> it, not
>>>>> only as
>>>>>>>> Federationists, but as blind
>>> students.
>>>>> Jorge and I have found
>>>>>>>> some ways that we can hold the call
>>> without
>>>>> making it a NABS
>>>>>>>> membership call, if it is entirely
>>>>> necessary. And as to your
>>>>>>>> comments about them not being our
>>> friends,
>>>>> then using your
>>>>>>>> argument, the Republicans should not
>>> hear the
>>>>> Democrats point of
>>>>>>>> view in meetings of Congress, but
>>> the two
>>>>> parties should be
>>>>>>>> separated from each other for fear
>>> of their
>>>>> own side being
>>>>>>>> attacked. We can keep our same
>>>>> opinions, and probably many
>>>>>>>> Federationists and Council members
>>> who attend
>>>>> this call will.
>>>>>>>> This is just a way that we can be
>>> more
>>>>> informed when forming
>>>>>>>> these opinions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of
>>> vision!"
>>>>> (Camp Abilities motto)
>>>>>>>> To learn more about Camp Abilities
>>> and find a
>>>>> local camp near
>>>>>>>> you, just click on this link to
>>> their
>>>>> national Web site:
>>>>>>>> www.campabilities.org.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps
>>> visually
>>>>> impaired youth in
>>>>>>>> Maryland have the ability to
>>> confidently say
>>>>> "I can!" How? Click
>>>>>>>> on this link to learn more and to
>>>>> contribute:
>>>>>>>> www.icanfoundation.info.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind
>>> Students
>>>>> mailing list
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Date sent: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 20:39:01
>>> -0500
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
>>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
>>>>> Threw Our Eyes
>>>>>>>> interview,Ride into History, Race
>>> for
>>>>> Independence, Wed. June
>>>>>>>> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chris:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't want to friend anyone -- but
>>> I think
>>>>> this is a terrible
>>>>>>>> idea! Remember the ACB split off
>>> from
>>>>> the NFB because they
>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>> that we were all wrong, did our
>>> business in
>>>>> the wrong way etc. I
>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>> not going to say that we can't learn
>>> anything
>>>>> from the ACB, but
>>>>>>>> not a
>>>>>>>> history lesson. I was at a ACb
>>> National
>>>>> Convention a few years
>>>>>>>> ago
>>>>>>>> -- and heard the NFB attacked openly
>>> and
>>>>> indirectly. These folks
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> not our friends. We can work
>>> jointly at
>>>>> times, and should, and I
>>>>>>>> don't think we should be against
>>> them, for
>>>>> the sake of it, as
>>>>>>>> some of
>>>>>>>> my old-timer friends are -- but a
>>> joint
>>>>> conference call on
>>>>>>>> consideration of a change to a NFB
>>> division
>>>>> bylaw is going to
>>>>>>>> far!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At 12:53 PM 6/19/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>>>> Kirt,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a friend in the Council that
>>> I will
>>>>> see Monday night, so I
>>>>>>>> plan to give this idea to him and
>>> ask if he
>>>>> knows someone in the
>>>>>>>> Council that would be knowledgeable
>>> enough
>>>>> and willing to attend
>>>>>>>> this call on behalf of the Council
>>> as an
>>>>> expert on their history.
>>>>>>>> Maybe it would be better if someone
>>> like me
>>>>> moderated. Keep in
>>>>>>>> mind
>>>>>>>> that I did volunteer, but I'm not
>>> degrading
>>>>> anyone else, I'm just
>>>>>>>> using myself as an example here.
>>> I'm a
>>>>> member of the Federation,
>>>>>>>> but I'm not a hard-line "NFB is
>>> good, ACB
>>>>> bad" person, so I
>>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>>>> show any bias to NFB or ACB. I
>>> also am
>>>>> not currently a
>>>>>>>> contributing
>>>>>>>> (due-paying) member of NABS, so I'm
>>> not a
>>>>> leader in it of
>>>>>>>> course. That way, we wouldn't have
>>> any
>>>>> bias.
>>>>>>>> I think it would be easy to have it
>>> jointly
>>>>> attended even if it's
>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>> official NABS call. If we have a
>>>>> representative of ACB on the
>>>>>>>> call,
>>>>>>>> we could probably easily get other
>>> members of
>>>>> ACB on the call to
>>>>>>>> kind of back up or add to that
>>> guest
>>>>> speaker's information.
>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of
>>> vision!"
>>>>> (Camp Abilities motto)
>>>>>>>> To learn more about Camp Abilities
>>> and find a
>>>>> local camp near
>>>>>>>> you,
>>>>>>>> just click on this link to their
>>> national Web
>>>>> site:
>>>>>>>> www.campabilities.org.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps
>>> visually
>>>>> impaired youth in
>>>>>>>> Maryland
>>>>>>>> have the ability to confidently say
>>> "I can!"
>>>>> How? Click on this
>>>>>>>> link
>>>>>>>> to learn more and to contribute:
>>>>> www.icanfoundation.info.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind
>>> Students
>>>>> mailing list
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Date sent: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 00:45:08
>>> -0600
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
>>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
>>>>> Threw Our Eyes
>>>>>>>> interview,Ride into History, Race
>>> for
>>>>> Independence, Wed. June
>>>>>>>> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Carley,
>>>>>>>> The two organizations don't
>>>>> really claim to be "friends" as
>>>>>>>> such-it
>>>>>>>> seems like now they just mostly
>>> ignore each
>>>>> other, work jointly
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>> their agendas converge and play
>>> politics when
>>>>> they don't. Maybe
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> aren't enemies, but the official
>>>>> organizations don't really
>>>>>>>> advertise
>>>>>>>> themselves as friends.
>>>>>>>> While it would be great to
>>>>> have people from both organizations
>>>>>>>> participate in a joint call, I don't
>>> see it
>>>>> happening. Here's
>>>>>>>> hoping
>>>>>>>> though, I guess It's certainly a
>>> nice
>>>>> thought-although, if the
>>>>>>>> call
>>>>>>>> were to have presentations from
>>> members of
>>>>> both organizations, it
>>>>>>>> probably should be jointly moderated
>>> and
>>>>> attended. The NFB (or
>>>>>>>> probably even NABS) would, I'm
>>> betting, not
>>>>> be inclined to go
>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>> So maybe we'll have better luck
>>> going through
>>>>> unnoficial channels
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> setting this up on our own? No
>>> need to
>>>>> make it an official event
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> either the Federation or the
>>> Council-I think
>>>>> it's safe to say
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> idea was doomed to fail before it
>>> was brought
>>>>> up.
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>> Kirt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/18/11, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> And, as I said before, I would be
>>> very
>>>>> willing to moderate this
>>>>>>>> call. Please keep me posted!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of
>>> vision!"
>>>>> (Camp Abilities motto)
>>>>>>>> To learn more about Camp Abilities
>>> and find a
>>>>> local camp near
>>>>>>>> you, just click on this link to
>>> their
>>>>> national Web site:
>>>>>>>> www.campabilities.org.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps
>>> visually
>>>>> impaired youth in
>>>>>>>> Maryland have the ability to
>>> confidently say
>>>>> "I can!" How? Click
>>>>>>>> on this link to learn more and to
>>>>> contribute:
>>>>>>>> www.icanfoundation.info.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message
>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>> From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind
>>> Students
>>>>> mailing list
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Date sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:51:04
>>> -0400
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
>>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
>>>>> Threw Our Eyes
>>>>>>>> interview,Ride into History, Race
>>> for
>>>>> Independence, Wed. June
>>>>>>>> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This call would be very interesting
>>>>> indeed. If representatives
>>>>>>>> from both organizations are willing
>>> to
>>>>> participate, it can really
>>>>>>>> be productive in many ways.
>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2011, at 1:46 PM, Carly
>>> Mihalakis
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good morning, list,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A few days ago, someone on
>>>>> the NABS list suggested a
>>>>>>>> conference
>>>>>>>> call bringing clarity to a younger
>>>>> generation. What, exactly, is
>>>>>>>> the history of the ideological
>>> parting of
>>>>> ways, between the
>>>>>>>> Federation and the Council? Does
>>> anybody know
>>>>> today, the history
>>>>>>>> of this division or is it a product
>>> of sheer
>>>>> habit as is the case
>>>>>>>> with Republicans and Democrats? If
>>> such a
>>>>> meeting of both
>>>>>>>> entities were to take place, There
>>> ought to
>>>>> be representation of
>>>>>>>> both organizations so that a
>>> wholistic
>>>>> portrait of this issue
>>>>>>>> can be exercised.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and its split from the
>>>>> ACB. This seems like a productive and
>>>>>>>> enlightening discussion but I
>>> wonder, if the
>>>>> Federation and the
>>>>>>>> council claim to be friends, should
>>> there not
>>>>> be representation
>>>>>>>> from both sides, identifying
>>>>> their position and whereabouts
>>>>>>>> they stand, in this? At
>>>>>>>> ---- Original Message
>>>>> ------
>>>>>>>> From: "Joe Ruffalo" <nfbnj at yahoo.com>
>>>>> (by way of David
>>>>>>>> Andrews<dandrews at visi.com>)
>>>>>>>> Subject:
>>>>> [Nfbnet-members-list] Thru Our Eyes interview,
>>> Ride
>>>>>>>> into History,Race for
>>> Independence,
>>>>> Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>>>>>>>> Date sent: Fri, 17 Jun 2011
>>>>> 19:26:45 -0500
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Save The Date:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 22,at
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>>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>>> Ruffalo will interview
>>>>> Parnell Diggs, chair of the Imagination
>>>>>>>> Fund,
>>>>>>>> Race for Independence.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The interview will highlight
>>>>> current and past grants awarded to
>>>>>>>> state
>>>>>>>> affiliates and chapters.
>>>>>>>> In addition, featured will
>>>>> be Imaginators who will share the
>>>>>>>> methods
>>>>>>>> to make the ask to make a
>>>>> difference in changing what it means
>>>>>>>> to be blind.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Special highlight of the
>>>>> interview will be the announcement of
>>>>>>>> the 30
>>>>>>>> winners who will have the
>>>>> opportunity to be driven by a blind
>>>>>>>> driver
>>>>>>>> while attending
>>>>>>>> the national convention in
>>>>> Orlando.
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To watch and listen to the
>>>>> interview, please visit the
>>>>>>>> following:
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> following:
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>> questions, please dial the
>>>>>>>> following:
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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