[nabs-l] Fwd: research techniques and assistance

Karl Martin Adam kmaent1 at gmail.com
Tue Aug 26 01:04:49 UTC 2014


Yes publisher files often have issues like that as much from the 
OCR software we need to use them as anything else.  I couldn't 
live without word search though not to mention being able to stop 
on a word I don't know and find out how it's spelled.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "Kirt Manwaring" <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>,"National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 15:42:58 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: research techniques and assistance

Kirt and all,
Well, I have found numerous accessibility issues with files from 
publishers.
Its in pdf. I have my accessibility settings set.
Still, issues.

Dss will get  publisher files for me. How do you use coursesmart? 
If you
have to be online all the time, not a good idea for me as 
sometimes my wifi
at home is spotty.

The issues with pdfs are the words are smashed together, jaws 
says grapic in
the middle of text, and some words are broken up.

I've always prefered human readers because although they make 
mistakes on
occasion, they are not monotone and I can get the material with 
out the
struggle of understanding a broken worded file.
I could not live without learning ally.  but with this, I have to 
plan in
advance to have people look up the index
for me for certain topics. Then with the pages, I can go to those 
pages on
my daisy recording easily with the go to page function.

Glad electronic text seems to work for you.

Ashley

-----Original Message-----
From: Kirt Manwaring via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 3:12 PM
To: Cindy Bennett ; National Association of Blind Students 
mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: research techniques and assistance

Ashley,
I've been gradually moving away from audio text books and towards
electronic text as my preferred format. I love coursesmart.com 
because
it's accessible (mostly), easily navigable and those problems 
about
using the index in audio books are conveniently absent. Of 
course,
previous generations of blind college students often had to wade
through indexes on 8-track audio casettes without the handy 
navigation
features we have in BARD or learning ally books these days, so I
suppose it's all relative anyhow.
Best,
Kirt

On 8/25/14, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 Hi,

 I think that a lot of great suggestions have been given thus 
far.

 I remember going through a time where the whole idea of research 
and
 finding references from reputable sources was incredibly aloof 
to me.
 Even still, one of the things I do when pondering research ideas 
is to
 talk to other people, especially those specializing in your 
topic. If
 there is a professor with a specialty in your topic, go to their
 office hours even if they aren't your professor. Maybe there is 
a grad
 student who can help you. Several departments feature the 
department's
 labs or concentrations and some even list the students in each.

 One thing that hasn't been brought up yet is taking advantage of 
your
 professor's office hours. I have often found this to be helpful.
 Often, they will talk about my ideas with me. What do I want to 
write
 the paper about. If the assignment includes an experiment that I 
have
 to run, how do I learn about a topic that I want to expound upon 
in my
 own research? Often, they will start searches with you and may 
even
 send you links to papers they find helpful.

 I do believe that reading an abstract should give you a pretty 
good
 idea of whether reading the paper is a good use of your time. 
This
 does take a bit of practice. I think that if you are unable to
 understand an abstract, try to Wikipedia some of the terms 
surrounding
 your topic. Then, if you can't understand abstracts, they 
probably
 aren't relevant to your topic or worth your time.

 I actually really like Google scholar, and many of the articles
 brought up are located in databases that my school subscribes 
to. I
 found it accessible just as Google searches are accessible.

 I have not tried out this service, but have heard of Mendeley 
which is
 a free paper and reference management system. If you use Chrome, 
you
 can sed papers right to Mendeley if you search them on Scholar.

 I recommend that if you are doong research for your field to 
start
 your own folders of helpful papers on your computer.

 I also recommend looking at other papers' references. You can 
even
 look at the references on Wikipedia. If you find one helpful 
paper,
 chances are that references to other helpful resources are right 
there
 in the article. Further, if you are researching a topic that is
 covered somewhere in your textbook, looking at the references in 
the
 chapter can be good, especially if they are referencing a study 
they
 are using as an example.

 Cindy

 On 8/25/14, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:
 That index problem is one of the many reasons I always use
 publisher files or scanned books not audio.  Another place you
 could go, at least in the humanities where a lot of scholarly
 work is published in books not journal articles, is bookshare.
 They actually have a very good selection of academic books these
 days often including edited collections of relevant articles.  
If
 your looking at websites, what you really want are pages with
 .edu domains--they typically are written by professors
 specializing in the area of the content.  Also for statistical
 information there are many (usually relatively accessible)
 government websites--.gov domains.

  ----- Original Message -----
 From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 To: "Derek Manners" <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>,"National
 Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 13:54:50 -0400
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd:  research techniques and assistance

 Derek,

 I use my textbook too for general info and an overview of
 something. I
 usually need a reader  for that though because I need to look up
 that in the
 index and cannot do so with a audio version of the text.
 Most of the time though its not in the text or it's a paragraph
 so its not
 helpful.

 Do you use the internet for sources or just to get started? My
 concern with
 internet is sites are not always authentic
 but I've found some with .org domains to be okay at least to get
 started.

 Thanks for the advice.

 Ashley

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Derek Manners via nabs-l
 Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 11:11 AM
 To: justin williams ; National Association of Blind Students
 mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: research techniques and assistance

 I can't speak to the accessibility options but just generally,
 your research
 librarians are bored and would love to help you out. I rely on
 mine all the
 time. Also, I also tend to read a lot of articles that don't pan
 out so I
 also think this is pretty common.

 I'd also agree with the comment about needing to know something
 about the
 topic. My approach is to google/Wikipedia the topic or topics
 first. Then
 check my textbook if the topic is in there. Then I do a little
 searching.
 But if I get stuck, I turn to the research librarian pretty
 quickly to get
 moving.

 Best
 Derek

 PS
 I use zoom text so that is why I can't speak to the 
accessibility
 options.

 Sent from my iPhone

  On Aug 25, 2014, at 10:00 AM, justin williams via nabs-l
  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

  Oops, How did that not go to the list?

  -----Original Message-----
  From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
 Mary
  Fernandez
  via nabs-l
  Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 9:56 AM
  To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
  Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: research techniques and assistance

  I think Justin meant to send this to the whole list

  ---------- Forwarded message ----------
  From: justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com
  Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 09:53:05 -0400
  Subject: RE: [nabs-l] research techniques and assistance
  To: Mary Fernandez <trillian551 at gmail.com

  I take each paper as a separate entity as far as accessibility
 is
  concerned.
  I take a day of two and just do the research.  In other words, 
I
 have no
  intent to write the paper, but to simply get the articles I 
want
 and
  figure
  out my base for the paper.  Folks, I spend 6 to 8 hours, but I
 get 6 to 7
  articles and sometimes more, though I have found any more than
 about 9 or
  10
  more cumbersome  then helpful.  I work  out all the
 accessibility issues
  before I do anything with writing the paper.  Don't forget your
 nls books,
  or books on the blio.  Sometimes the articles are pdfs, and
 other times
  they
  are web based; I try to stick to web based, but that is not
 always
  possible.
  Pdfs can be made accessible in a variety of ways, but 
sometimes,
 none of
  those ways are adequate; the article can still become unusable.
 I have
  found google scholar inaccessible for obtaining the articles, 
If
 someone
  has
  a tip for this, please share.  I write down my citations for
 each articles
  and save them in a separate file.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Mary Fernandez [mailto:trillian551 at gmail.com]
  Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 9:44 AM
  To: justin williams; National Association of Blind Students
 mailing list
  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] research techniques and assistance

  All,
  I think this is a fabulous topic! First, research skills are
 ones which
  are
  not necessarily intuitive, and which all successful college
 students learn
  to refine and perfect throughout their college career.
  Unfortunately, there are numerous accessibility barriers with
 databases
  and
  eBooks, which others have access too readily. Part of the
 answer, and
  Ashley, you are on the right track, is to learn how to most
 effectively
  use
  databases, and search tools like Google Scholar.
  Most universities have workshops that students can attend, and
 which focus
  specifically on research, many times even by topic. Through my
 senior year
  in college, it wasn't strange for a class, which had a major
 research
  paper
  do at the end of the semester, to have a class scheduled at the
 library,
  and
  have a reference librarian show us the tips and tricks. The
 other half of
  the equation, is to be creative with using your assistive
 software, a lot
  of
  times websites are inaccessible enough to be a nightmare, but
 sometimes
  there is a hidden work around, like using the different cursor
 modes in
  Jaws, right clicking instead of pressing enter, etc. This makes
 things
  more
  time consuming than they ought to be, but unfortunately, until
 we can get
  this trend of technology being developed inaccessibly reversed,
 we must
  live
  with that reality.
  As far as articles, that's part of research. You do your best 
to
 narrow
  down
  the material you get back by using good search terminology, by
  categorizing,
  by reading the abstract, but at one point you have to just read
 the
  articles. No one article is going to give you all the
 information your
  need,
  that's why you use so many citations at the end of the day,
 because one
  part
  of one paper may be of relevance, but the other twenty pages
 aren't. Good
  research takes time, and the better you get at it, the better
 you become
  at
  using that time more efficiently.
  As far as PDFs, I've been suggesting to students to ask for
 Adobe Pro from
  VR or to purchase it if possible. If you take the time to learn
 some
  accessibility remediation techniques with Adobe, many tutorials
 are
  available online, you can tag your own pdfs and fix reading
 order and
  navigation. It won't be perfect, but at least it'll make them
 legible.
  Kurzweil 1000 is also incredibly useful. If it's 2 AM and the
 paper is due
  in six hours, not that I've ever been there, you can save pdfs
 to your pc,
  run them through Kurzweil and that way the articles become
 legible if not
  perfect.
  Last, not all databases are created equal. Depending on your
 subject, you
  may want to filter through subjects when choosing databases, 
for
 the
  humanities I  found EPSCO databases to be really accessible,
 Jstor,
  PsychInfo, the Oxford databases, and quite a few others were
 very good.
  And
  some won't be. There are so many tips and tricks to conducting
 research,
  so
  I strongly suggest seeing if a college does those research
 workshops, and
  just taking the time to figure out what works for you and what
 doesn't.
  Unfortunately, there isn't a universal answer when it comes to
  accessibility. We must advocate for manufacturers and
 universities to
  become
  responsible for only procuring and implementing accessible
 learning tools,
  but that's a battle that has to be fought outside the research
 library!
  Thanks.
  Mary


  On 8/25/14, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 wrote:
  It just depends on what I am looking for; I take pieces parts 
of
  several articles, and just put them together into a research
 paper.
  It helps to no something about your topic.  If you have no
 knowledge
  about a topic, get a book from nls to start you off, then fine
 your
  articles.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
 Sofia
  Gallo via nabs-l
  Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 7:33 AM
  To: Helga Schreiber; National Association of Blind Students
 mailing
  list
  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] research techniques and assistance

  I also have to read a lot of the article to see if it's 
relevant
 but I
  thought this was true for everyone?

  Sofia

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Aug 25, 2014, at 4:10 AM, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l
  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

  Hi all! I have the same questions as Ashley. For me, research 
is
 not
  so easy as well!! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks  so much
 and God
  bless!!  :-)

  Helga Schreiber

  Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota
 chapter.
  Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida
 Association of
  Blind Students.
  Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
  Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
  Phone:  (561) 706-5950
  Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
  Skype: helga.schreiber26
  4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
  INT Website: http://int4life.com/

  "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,
 that
  whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal 
life."
 John
  3:16 Sent from my iPhone

  On Aug 25, 2014, at 3:17 AM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

  Hi all,

  Its been my experience that research is very challenging. Have
 you
  run into these issues?

  Not all databases are fully accessible, although that has been
  better in the past couple years.
  For instance, academic search complete and other Search 
complete
  databases do not let you change the combo box from the default
 and
  to read "or". This means it would look for search terms A and B
 or
  search term C.

  Other challenges I've had are evaluating if the article is
 relevant.
  I do read abstracts first and think through it. It seems like I
 read
  most of an article only to realize its not relevant.
  Also, some articlesare pdfs with words smashed together; I end
 up
  asking a reader to read them.

  What assistance have you had with research? All school 
libraries
  have reference librarians at a certain desk. Do you just ask
 them
  where to look? Have you needed or wanted more help learning the
  databases and electronic references? Has the librarians worked
 1 on
  1 with you? At the community college and my university,
 Marymount,
  they did assist me a little privately to get me started. They
 gave
  me specific instructions on what to click on and which boxes to
  check to get what I needed. I needed to limit to full text, for
  instance; also if I needed recent articles, I was taught how to
  write in
  the date range.

  These references seem inaccessible. Was that your experience?

  a.. Encyclopedia Britanica
  b.. Credo reference
  c.. Gale biography in context


  Also, books are not accessible and libraries have lots of them.
  How do you direct readers to find what you need? I've tried
 asking
  for headings and table of contents. This does not always work.
 Is
  skimming relevant chapters the best thing?

  Thanks.
  Ashley
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