[nabs-l] Fwd: research techniques and assistance
justin williams
justin.williams2 at gmail.com
Tue Aug 26 11:23:41 UTC 2014
You can't get to it from open book; save it on the desktop, and then move it from the desk top to my documents by xut and paste.
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From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 11:08 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: research techniques and assistance
Hi Katie,
Thanks for these tips. I will try out your tips for the web browsing.
For openbook, I could not follow those instructions. After bring up the open dialogue box and moving the file type to pdf, I could not find the file when I shift tabbed to my file list; I think the problem is the files are in the documents folder, and that's not an option in that dialogue box. Maybe if I saved the pdf to desktop, it would show up in the dialogue box.
BTW, I have openbook 9.
Wow, I did not know you could save the converted file to other file types; well, I knew of word, but other than that, I did not know.
I've gotten better over the years at determining if an article is relevant.
Yes, as you all confirmed, reading abstracts is key. Introductions seem to help if that's provided.
I know we don't have to read everything in the cited article.
The challenge then, is what to read? I know it depends on our subject matter, but still, its hard to narrow down which sections to read.
Generally, I find the discussion section and implications for future research parts I do not need.
Those articles are very long; sometimes like 20 some pages. It gets too hard to synthesize long articles, so sometimes I limit my search to a certain page length.
Sometimes I need longer length information, especially for reporting life history or events. In this case, magazine articles or books or ebooks are best.
This is challenging. I usually need a reader for this. How do we know if a book is relevant? So far, we look at the front material including book jacket and table of contents. But sometimes, the titles of chapters are so vague, they are nearly useless.
Should I just be relying on the index more?
Abstracts are good. But for news articles and magazine articles they don't have that.
I often have not used those since professors need scholarly peer reviewed sources, but if not, these sources can be helpful or better than database information.
I tend to read the beginning to see if it’s a relevant article. is that what you all do?
Headings are helpful too, but a reader needs to find those for me, so again, that is when that is helpful.
Not all headings are marked so jaws sees them.
I never worked with readers till college, and still am perfecting the skill of directing them to be my eyes.
It seems to me like over half the electronic sources I need are inaccessible or semi inaccessible.
If anyone has used these sources successfully, how did it go?
When I tried, jaws did not read the page and in the gale reference thing I could not enter in the search box.
Encyclopedia britanica
Credo reference
Gale biography in context
I'm impressed you all seem quite independent with your research. I have used some of the databases independently mentioned here since its accessible; that is, once the librarian showed me which boxes to fill in.
I can usually get to those using keyboard commands.
But databases are only a small part of a library.
Another challenge is the accessibility of the website generally.
Since the library website is laid out in tabs, I cannot even get to all the links I need. I expand the tab, then attempt to click on what I want. For instance one link is facts, reference people; under that you can click on things like britanica, gale biography, and oxford dictionary. Those links are not opening even when I tried right clicking on them.
Oh, and I cannot get into films on demand either; sometimes, those documentaries prove helpful.
Good points all. It confirms I probably am doing most things right but research seems like a time consuming process. So anything to get better at it is a good thing to know.
Ashley
-----Original Message-----
From: Katie Wang
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 9:19 PM
To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: research techniques and assistance
Hi Ashley,
Converting pdfs using OpenBook is very straightforward. After you launch OpenBook, use Control o to bring up the Open File dialog, change the file type to Adobe pdf, then select the file you want to open. Depending on the file size, the conversion process can take a few minutes (use Insert Page Down to check on progress), and once conversion is complete you can save the file in your preferred format, such as .doc, .rtf, or .txt. I generally find the results to be good for digital articles (hand-scanned materials vary more in quality). I personally convert most of the pdf articles I use for research; I find it much easier to move around and locate information I need in a Word document than in a pdf, and I also transfer some of the articles to my notetaker for braille access.
As for the web browser commands, the hotkey n can sometimes take you past the navigation links to the main text. Also, you can turn off heading announcements by pressing Insert v then arrow down to Heading and Frame Options.
Like others, I agree that research is something that takes a lot of practice for both blind and sighted people alike. I also believe that, once you are fairly well-acquainted with your topic, you should be able to get a pretty good sense of whether an article is relevant by just reading the abstract. It is important to keep in mind that you do not need to read every word of all your citations; instead, you should focus on parts of each article that are most applicable to your research topic. If you are using a journal article to support a theoretical point, for example, reading the introduction and conclusion sections might be most helpful; in contrast, if you are looking for an example of a particular research paradigm, then you might want to focus on the section describing study methods and designs. As a psychologist, I primarily work with PsycInfo and Google Scholar, which are both accessible.
Best,
Katie
On 8/25/14, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Kirt and all,
> Well, I have found numerous accessibility issues with files from
> publishers.
> Its in pdf. I have my accessibility settings set.
> Still, issues.
>
> Dss will get publisher files for me. How do you use coursesmart? If
> you have to be online all the time, not a good idea for me as
> sometimes my wifi
>
> at home is spotty.
>
> The issues with pdfs are the words are smashed together, jaws says
> grapic in
>
> the middle of text, and some words are broken up.
>
> I've always prefered human readers because although they make mistakes
> on occasion, they are not monotone and I can get the material with out
> the struggle of understanding a broken worded file.
> I could not live without learning ally. but with this, I have to plan
> in advance to have people look up the index for me for certain topics.
> Then with the pages, I can go to those pages on my daisy recording
> easily with the go to page function.
>
> Glad electronic text seems to work for you.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kirt Manwaring via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 3:12 PM
> To: Cindy Bennett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: research techniques and assistance
>
> Ashley,
> I've been gradually moving away from audio text books and towards
> electronic text as my preferred format. I love coursesmart.com because
> it's accessible (mostly), easily navigable and those problems about
> using the index in audio books are conveniently absent. Of course,
> previous generations of blind college students often had to wade
> through indexes on 8-track audio casettes without the handy navigation
> features we have in BARD or learning ally books these days, so I
> suppose it's all relative anyhow.
> Best,
> Kirt
>
> On 8/25/14, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think that a lot of great suggestions have been given thus far.
>>
>> I remember going through a time where the whole idea of research and
>> finding references from reputable sources was incredibly aloof to me.
>> Even still, one of the things I do when pondering research ideas is
>> to talk to other people, especially those specializing in your topic.
>> If there is a professor with a specialty in your topic, go to their
>> office hours even if they aren't your professor. Maybe there is a
>> grad student who can help you. Several departments feature the
>> department's labs or concentrations and some even list the students in each.
>>
>> One thing that hasn't been brought up yet is taking advantage of your
>> professor's office hours. I have often found this to be helpful.
>> Often, they will talk about my ideas with me. What do I want to write
>> the paper about. If the assignment includes an experiment that I have
>> to run, how do I learn about a topic that I want to expound upon in
>> my own research? Often, they will start searches with you and may
>> even send you links to papers they find helpful.
>>
>> I do believe that reading an abstract should give you a pretty good
>> idea of whether reading the paper is a good use of your time. This
>> does take a bit of practice. I think that if you are unable to
>> understand an abstract, try to Wikipedia some of the terms
>> surrounding your topic. Then, if you can't understand abstracts, they
>> probably aren't relevant to your topic or worth your time.
>>
>> I actually really like Google scholar, and many of the articles
>> brought up are located in databases that my school subscribes to. I
>> found it accessible just as Google searches are accessible.
>>
>> I have not tried out this service, but have heard of Mendeley which
>> is a free paper and reference management system. If you use Chrome,
>> you can sed papers right to Mendeley if you search them on Scholar.
>>
>> I recommend that if you are doong research for your field to start
>> your own folders of helpful papers on your computer.
>>
>> I also recommend looking at other papers' references. You can even
>> look at the references on Wikipedia. If you find one helpful paper,
>> chances are that references to other helpful resources are right
>> there in the article. Further, if you are researching a topic that is
>> covered somewhere in your textbook, looking at the references in the
>> chapter can be good, especially if they are referencing a study they
>> are using as an example.
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>> On 8/25/14, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> That index problem is one of the many reasons I always use publisher
>>> files or scanned books not audio. Another place you could go, at
>>> least in the humanities where a lot of scholarly work is published
>>> in books not journal articles, is bookshare.
>>> They actually have a very good selection of academic books these
>>> days often including edited collections of relevant articles. If
>>> your looking at websites, what you really want are pages with .edu
>>> domains--they typically are written by professors specializing in
>>> the area of the content. Also for statistical information there are
>>> many (usually relatively accessible) government websites--.gov
>>> domains.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> To: "Derek Manners" <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>,"National
>>> Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date
>>> sent: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 13:54:50 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: research techniques and assistance
>>>
>>> Derek,
>>>
>>> I use my textbook too for general info and an overview of something.
>>> I usually need a reader for that though because I need to look up
>>> that in the index and cannot do so with a audio version of the text.
>>> Most of the time though its not in the text or it's a paragraph so
>>> its not helpful.
>>>
>>> Do you use the internet for sources or just to get started? My
>>> concern with internet is sites are not always authentic but I've
>>> found some with .org domains to be okay at least to get started.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the advice.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Derek Manners via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 11:11 AM
>>> To: justin williams ; National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>> list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: research techniques and assistance
>>>
>>> I can't speak to the accessibility options but just generally, your
>>> research librarians are bored and would love to help you out. I rely
>>> on mine all the time. Also, I also tend to read a lot of articles
>>> that don't pan out so I also think this is pretty common.
>>>
>>> I'd also agree with the comment about needing to know something
>>> about the topic. My approach is to google/Wikipedia the topic or
>>> topics first. Then check my textbook if the topic is in there. Then
>>> I do a little searching.
>>> But if I get stuck, I turn to the research librarian pretty quickly
>>> to get moving.
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Derek
>>>
>>> PS
>>> I use zoom text so that is why I can't speak to the accessibility
>>> options.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 25, 2014, at 10:00 AM, justin williams via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Oops, How did that not go to the list?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary
>>> Fernandez via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 9:56 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: research techniques and assistance
>>>
>>> I think Justin meant to send this to the whole list
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com
>>> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 09:53:05 -0400
>>> Subject: RE: [nabs-l] research techniques and assistance
>>> To: Mary Fernandez <trillian551 at gmail.com
>>>
>>> I take each paper as a separate entity as far as accessibility is
>>> concerned.
>>> I take a day of two and just do the research. In other words, I
>>> have no intent to write the paper, but to simply get the articles I
>>> want and figure out my base for the paper. Folks, I spend 6 to 8
>>> hours, but I get 6 to 7 articles and sometimes more, though I have
>>> found any more than about 9 or
>>> 10
>>> more cumbersome then helpful. I work out all the accessibility
>>> issues before I do anything with writing the paper. Don't forget
>>> your nls books, or books on the blio. Sometimes the articles are
>>> pdfs, and other times they are web based; I try to stick to web
>>> based, but that is not always possible.
>>> Pdfs can be made accessible in a variety of ways, but sometimes,
>>> none of those ways are adequate; the article can still become
>>> unusable.
>>> I have
>>> found google scholar inaccessible for obtaining the articles, If
>>> someone has a tip for this, please share. I write down my
>>> citations for each articles and save them in a separate file.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Mary Fernandez [mailto:trillian551 at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 9:44 AM
>>> To: justin williams; National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>> list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] research techniques and assistance
>>>
>>> All,
>>> I think this is a fabulous topic! First, research skills are ones
>>> which are not necessarily intuitive, and which all successful
>>> college students learn to refine and perfect throughout their
>>> college career.
>>> Unfortunately, there are numerous accessibility barriers with
>>> databases and eBooks, which others have access too readily. Part
>>> of the answer, and Ashley, you are on the right track, is to learn
>>> how to most effectively use databases, and search tools like
>>> Google Scholar.
>>> Most universities have workshops that students can attend, and
>>> which focus specifically on research, many times even by topic.
>>> Through my senior year in college, it wasn't strange for a class,
>>> which had a major research paper do at the end of the semester, to
>>> have a class scheduled at the library, and have a reference
>>> librarian show us the tips and tricks. The other half of the
>>> equation, is to be creative with using your assistive software, a
>>> lot of times websites are inaccessible enough to be a nightmare,
>>> but sometimes there is a hidden work around, like using the
>>> different cursor modes in Jaws, right clicking instead of pressing
>>> enter, etc. This makes things more time consuming than they ought
>>> to be, but unfortunately, until we can get this trend of technology
>>> being developed inaccessibly reversed, we must live with that
>>> reality.
>>> As far as articles, that's part of research. You do your best to
>>> narrow down the material you get back by using good search
>>> terminology, by categorizing, by reading the abstract, but at one
>>> point you have to just read the articles. No one article is going
>>> to give you all the information your need, that's why you use so
>>> many citations at the end of the day, because one part of one
>>> paper may be of relevance, but the other twenty pages aren't. Good
>>> research takes time, and the better you get at it, the better you
>>> become at using that time more efficiently.
>>> As far as PDFs, I've been suggesting to students to ask for Adobe
>>> Pro from VR or to purchase it if possible. If you take the time to
>>> learn some accessibility remediation techniques with Adobe, many
>>> tutorials are available online, you can tag your own pdfs and fix
>>> reading order and navigation. It won't be perfect, but at least
>>> it'll make them legible.
>>> Kurzweil 1000 is also incredibly useful. If it's 2 AM and the paper
>>> is due in six hours, not that I've ever been there, you can save
>>> pdfs to your pc, run them through Kurzweil and that way the
>>> articles become legible if not perfect.
>>> Last, not all databases are created equal. Depending on your
>>> subject, you may want to filter through subjects when choosing
>>> databases, for the humanities I found EPSCO databases to be really
>>> accessible, Jstor, PsychInfo, the Oxford databases, and quite a few
>>> others were very good.
>>> And
>>> some won't be. There are so many tips and tricks to conducting
>>> research, so I strongly suggest seeing if a college does those
>>> research workshops, and just taking the time to figure out what
>>> works for you and what doesn't.
>>> Unfortunately, there isn't a universal answer when it comes to
>>> accessibility. We must advocate for manufacturers and universities
>>> to become responsible for only procuring and implementing
>>> accessible learning tools, but that's a battle that has to be
>>> fought outside the research library!
>>> Thanks.
>>> Mary
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/25/14, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> It just depends on what I am looking for; I take pieces parts of
>>> several articles, and just put them together into a research paper.
>>> It helps to no something about your topic. If you have no
>>> knowledge about a topic, get a book from nls to start you off, then
>>> fine your articles.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sofia
>>> Gallo via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 7:33 AM
>>> To: Helga Schreiber; National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>> list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] research techniques and assistance
>>>
>>> I also have to read a lot of the article to see if it's relevant
>>> but I thought this was true for everyone?
>>>
>>> Sofia
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 25, 2014, at 4:10 AM, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all! I have the same questions as Ashley. For me, research is
>>> not so easy as well!! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much
>>> and God bless!! :-)
>>>
>>> Helga Schreiber
>>>
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>>> 3:16 Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 25, 2014, at 3:17 AM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Its been my experience that research is very challenging. Have you
>>> run into these issues?
>>>
>>> Not all databases are fully accessible, although that has been
>>> better in the past couple years.
>>> For instance, academic search complete and other Search complete
>>> databases do not let you change the combo box from the default and
>>> to read "or". This means it would look for search terms A and B or
>>> search term C.
>>>
>>> Other challenges I've had are evaluating if the article is
>>> relevant.
>>> I do read abstracts first and think through it. It seems like I
>>> read most of an article only to realize its not relevant.
>>> Also, some articlesare pdfs with words smashed together; I end up
>>> asking a reader to read them.
>>>
>>> What assistance have you had with research? All school libraries
>>> have reference librarians at a certain desk. Do you just ask them
>>> where to look? Have you needed or wanted more help learning the
>>> databases and electronic references? Has the librarians worked
>>> 1 on
>>> 1 with you? At the community college and my university, Marymount,
>>> they did assist me a little privately to get me started. They gave
>>> me specific instructions on what to click on and which boxes to
>>> check to get what I needed. I needed to limit to full text, for
>>> instance; also if I needed recent articles, I was taught how to
>>> write in the date range.
>>>
>>> These references seem inaccessible. Was that your experience?
>>>
>>> a.. Encyclopedia Britanica
>>> b.. Credo reference
>>> c.. Gale biography in context
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, books are not accessible and libraries have lots of them.
>>> How do you direct readers to find what you need? I've tried asking
>>> for headings and table of contents. This does not always work.
>>> Is
>>> skimming relevant chapters the best thing?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Ashley
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