[nagdu] Pet tags on the beach

Marion & Martin swampfox1833 at verizon.net
Mon Aug 3 20:13:17 UTC 2009 

Sherri,
    It must be different in Orange County than in Hillsborough County. Here, 
we only have one tag/license based upon rabies vaccination.

Marion


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sherri" <flmom2006 at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Pet tags on the beach


> Well, my vet used to give out two tags, first the rabies and then the 
> license. For some reason, stopped giving out the license tag, but does 
> still issue the rabies tag with a certificate that I would then send into 
> the county for the license tag. Sounds like a lot of trouble to me. 
> *smile.
> Sherri
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 8:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Pet tags on the beach
>
>
>> Sherri,
>>    I believe we are talking about the same thing here. The vet gives you 
>> a certificate verifying that your dog has been vaccinated. You present 
>> this certificate to the county to obtain the tag. Some vets, as I have 
>> mentioned, also distribute the tags or license.
>>
>> Fraternally,
>> Marion
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Sherri" <flmom2006 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 1:55 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Pet tags on the beach
>>
>>
>>> Marion, In Orange County, the rabies tag and license tag are two 
>>> different items. The vet can distribute rabies tags. You then have to 
>>> send the certificate away to the licensing department to get a license 
>>> tag. I believe these tags are free for all service dogs, but there is a 
>>> charge for pets. I am not sure, because I never send my rabies 
>>> certificate in. I figure proof that Bailey is healthy is enough.
>>>
>>> Sherri
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 7:13 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Pet tags on the beach
>>>
>>>
>>>> Cindy,
>>>>    In Hillsborough County (Tampa, Florida) where I live, licensing and 
>>>> rabies tags are one in the same. I guess I assumed that this was so 
>>>> everywhere. Can you tell me what the difference is between licensing 
>>>> and rabies tags where you live?
>>>>
>>>> Fraternally,
>>>> Marion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at qwest.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 1:59 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Pet tags on the beach
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the information. I have never licensed my dogs; I have had 
>>>>> rabby
>>>>> tags to show they were inoculated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Lou
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 12:45 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Pet tags on the beach
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy & Julie,
>>>>>    Let me take these questions separately. As for the licensing
>>>>> requirement, such a requirement is in place to ensure that animals are 
>>>>> kept
>>>>> up-to-date on their rabies vaccinations,. All dog owners  are required 
>>>>> to
>>>>> maintain  immunity to this disease. The license is the authority's 
>>>>> means
>>>>> whereby they can verify this. The fee for this, however, is waived for
>>>>> service animal users, as it can be considered a tax.
>>>>>    As for the morals or ethics of a special tag, service dogs are 
>>>>> allowed
>>>>> access to the beach or any other place the general public is invited. 
>>>>> My
>>>>> mother lives two blocks from the Gulf of Mexico. If I were to walk to 
>>>>> the
>>>>> beach - which I generally do - working my dog and, once I get there, 
>>>>> take it
>>>>> out of harness and let it be just a dog, it is still a service animal 
>>>>> and no
>>>>> special tags or restrictions, over and above the leash laws, can be 
>>>>> required
>>>>> of me. Even if I were to use my cane and heel my dog, it is still a 
>>>>> service
>>>>> animal under the law. JMHO!
>>>>>
>>>>> Fraternally,
>>>>> Marion
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at qwest.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 9:54 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Pet tags on the beach
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure it is a question of morals, ethics, or anything else 
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> if you are fulfilling your responsibilities as a guide user. I guess 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> really didn't know you have to do that. Are you supposed to license 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> guide in a community where you live, for I've not done that either. 
>>>>>> He
>>>>>> never
>>>>>> runs free and is microchipped. I have actually wondered about this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy Lou
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Julie J" <julielj at windstream.net>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 8:17 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Pet tags on the beach
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree that pet tags are not required even if the dog is out of 
>>>>>> harness.
>>>>>> However it seems to me an issue of morals.  If you are utilizing pet
>>>>>> services and amenities then you should fulfill the pet requirements. 
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> seems like taking advantage to me otherwise.  But if all Wayne 
>>>>>> intends is
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> have his dog lie beside him out of harness or something similar to 
>>>>>> what a
>>>>>> guide would do if not working at that precise moment, then I'd say 
>>>>>> that's
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> no pet tags situation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JMHO
>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 4:53 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Pet tags on the beach
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Julie,
>>>>>>>    I disagree with the need for any sort of tags, even if out of 
>>>>>>> harness
>>>>>>> "enjoying the beach". Whether in harness or not, the dog is still a
>>>>>>> service animal under the law and no further restrictions or 
>>>>>>> requirements
>>>>>>> can be imposed. As for the Credentials" cited by Cindy Lou and the
>>>>>>> education by Mike Hingson, take the time to educate, if you wish, 
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>> them a sound education by not presenting credentials. Otherwise, 
>>>>>>> they may
>>>>>>> feel as if they have the right to require them and they do not! HTH!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>>>> Marion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>> From: "Julie J" <julielj at windstream.net>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 10:16 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Pet tags on the beach
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I agree with Michael.  she's not a pet and not subject to pet
>>>>>>>>restrictions. However if you are planning to let her out of harness 
>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>enjoy the beach like the pet dogs, then I'd say tags are in order.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have fun!
>>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at qwest.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 7:51 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Pet tags on the beach
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm thinking I would take her tomorrow evening, be sure I have 
>>>>>>>>> hold of
>>>>>>>>> her,
>>>>>>>>> haveall of the rest of her credentials available, and then assure 
>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>> officials who question her being there that  you will, indeed, go 
>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> appropriate tags on Monday.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cindy Lou
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>> From: "Wayne Merritt" <wcmerritt at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 7:46 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Pet tags on the beach
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Greetings. Sorry for the short notice. I talked with my parents
>>>>>>>>> earlier who are already in Florida. I'm leaving tomorrow morning. 
>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>> mentioned that pets need to get tags from a specific office in 
>>>>>>>>> order
>>>>>>>>> to go on the beach. I know that guide dogs arent' pets, but does
>>>>>>>>> anyone know if I need to worry about this with my guide, or will 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> harness be enough to convince any officials on the beach? We 
>>>>>>>>> talked
>>>>>>>>> about taking my dog with us to the beach perhaps tomorrow evening 
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> see how she reacts and then decide if we need to do anything with 
>>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>> the rest of the week. However, since the "tag office" for lack of 
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> better phrase isn't open till Monday morning, if we do need tags 
>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>> we wouldn't be able to take her tomorrow. She has a microchip ID 
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> her collar that we got last fall when in training, and I've of 
>>>>>>>>> course
>>>>>>>>> got an ID card for her proving that she's a guide dog. Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wayne
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>> My blog:
>>>>>>>>> http://wayneism.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>> My websites:
>>>>>>>>> www.wayneism.com
>>>>>>>>> www.whitecaneday.org
>>>>>>>>>
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