[nagdu] Promulgating the Myth

Natalie nrorrell at qwest.net
Wed Mar 14 19:25:24 UTC 2012 

That's interesting.  How can they tell you to keep your dog in a room, yet 
encourage you to pay attention to your dog?  Isn't that contradictory, 
especially in that initial formative time of bonding as a team? 
Additionally, any affiliate hovering over one's shoulder with the threat of 
having the dog taken away?  Whoa!  Really scary stuff.  I'd be interested in 
hearing others' take on this one, especially if they or anyone they knew 
having such an experience.
Best,
Nat and Liam Joshua

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Promulgating the Myth


> Totally agggreed!  I do know that at NFB centers they have you keepyour 
> dog in the room for at least the afternoon.  They say that they encourage 
> you to pay attention to the dog.  I have also heard that in some 
> organizations down in Arkansas that they go arouhnd and tell you they can 
> get your dog taken away at any time!  I heard from a friend of mine that 
> some of the mobility instructors were even afraid of dogs and actively 
> discouraged the use of them!  Now, whether this do to a certain 
> organization or the institution in particular, I can't tell.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Natalie" <nrorrell at qwest.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 7:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Promulgating the Myth
>
>
>> Hi Larry, et al,
>> I wonder if the myth might also stem from the fact that some NFB training 
>> programs discourage the use of a guide dog while doing travel lessons? 
>> Just curious on that as I've heard a lot of people talk about it.  As for 
>> the dog's misbehavior and the handler's lack of charge, this also applies 
>> in ACB as well as the independence, though the minority rule does apply. 
>> I'd be interested to hear others' thoughts on this.
>> Best,
>> Nat and Liam Joshua
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 4:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Promulgating the Myth
>>
>>
>>> Or, at least the article reference.  It would help to explain why NFB 
>>> some times takes sort of a hard line on dogs.  I have heard some members 
>>> who never even had pet dogs complain.  Some of the rational ones did 
>>> explain that some folks don't clean up after or let there dogs mis 
>>> behave.  I have seen a few folks who really do this but they are in the 
>>> minority.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Reinhard Stebner" <raydar11011 at yahoo.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 6:32 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Promulgating the Myth
>>>
>>>
>>>> Would it be possible to be provided with the link of the Braille 
>>>> Monitor
>>>> that this issue was discussed?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 7:52 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Promulgating the Myth
>>>>
>>>> Juanita,
>>>>    The reason there is the impression that the NFB is anti guide dog is
>>>> that it is in the best interest of another organization to promulgate 
>>>> that
>>>> myth. In support of this contention, they point to an issue of the 
>>>> Braille
>>>> Monitor in which there was a very frank discussion of some very serious
>>>> issues experienced at one of our national conventions involving several
>>>> guide dogs. I was at that convention and know that the issue had a very
>>>> serious impact on the image of the NFB as it related to the hospitality
>>>> industry, causing us to have challenges securing venues and decent 
>>>> rates for
>>>>
>>>> our convention. This incident and these discussions led to the current
>>>> policies we have concerning leaving our dogs unattended in guest rooms
>>>> during NFB-sponsored events.
>>>>    The NFB is supportive of whatever method of independent travel one
>>>> wishes to use. The National Association of Guide Dog Users is one of 
>>>> the
>>>> strongest, largest, and fastest growing divisions in the movement!
>>>>
>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
>>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>>> 813-626-2789
>>>> President at NAGDU.ORG
>>>> HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Juanita Herrera" <juanitaherrera1991 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 11:18 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Michigan Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Why do people get the impression that the NFB is antiguide dog? I've
>>>>> heard that a lot, and I just found it strange because even my NFB
>>>>> chapter president has a guide dog himself. Why do people forpulate
>>>>> their own ideas?
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Juanita And Anise
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/27/12, Marion Gwizdala <blind411 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Larry & William,
>>>>>>     Well, technically, I'm from Michigan - Bay City/Essexville! 
>>>>>> (smile)
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>> in Tampa, Florida now! I'll bet there are quite a few guide dog users 
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Great Wolverine State, we just need to shake them out of the woods! 
>>>>>> One
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the challenges is letting guide dog users know that the NFB is not 
>>>>>> anti
>>>>>> guide dog, as they are led to believe by those in whose best interest 
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> to say such things and helping them understand why we need them in 
>>>>>> our
>>>>>> movement. Michigan has some laws that are not congruent with the ADA 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> need revising and a Michigan NAGDU division is the best option to 
>>>>>> create
>>>>>> these changes. Your affiliate leadership is very supportive of 
>>>>>> organizing
>>>>
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> division, we just need to get the ball rolling.
>>>>>>     How about we schedule a conference call and spread the word about 
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> throughout the state! Pick a date 3 - 4 weeks from now, any day but
>>>>>> Thursday, and I will help you get it started. If you want to chat 
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> it,
>>>>>> please give me a call. My contact information is below my signature.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>>>>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
>>>>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>> 813-626-2789
>>>>>> President at NAGDU.ORG
>>>>>> HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 4:55 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a question
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's what I'm hoping to find!  I'm getting ready to talk to the 
>>>>>>> Ohio
>>>>>>> Association and see if they'll let us wonderful folks from up here 
>>>>>>> join!
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>>>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 4:46 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] a question
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i'm just curious, but are there any people on this list from 
>>>>>>>> Michigan
>>>>>>>> (aside from Larry and myself)?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If Life Hands You A Lemon, Make Lemonaid
>>>>>>>> William And LD Lynard
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