[nagdu] service animals and Uber or Lyft again

[Marianne Denning]

Thanks everyone.  The main point I am hearing from people on the
iPhone list is that the drivers are using their private cars.  My
response is that once they use a private car for a public purpose then
it is not a private car during that time.  Am I correct here?  I know
this is all still getting through the courts but, is that the position
of NAGDU?

On 10/14/15, Michael Forzano via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Michael has a good point about the GPS tracking the driver. If you
> tell them in advance and they deny you access, it's your word against
> theirs, whereas if they drive to your location that is clear proof
> they denied you because of your dog.
> Also, I've had two drivers deny me in a row, so it's definitely
> possible, and you might not be saving yourself much time by telling
> them in advance. Then, that's one more driver who thinks they can get
> away with it, which could affect you or another blind person in the
> future.
>
> On 10/14/15, Michael Hingson via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Debby,
>>
>> You do what you think you must. However, keep in mind that you might have
>> one or two drivers in a row who refuse to take you and you still are
>> short
>> on time and left stranded.
>>
>> Many of us have a significant amount of experience with this issue
>> whether
>> it be with Uber or from other circumstances. Not all of us wish to take
>> such
>> a hard line which is why we all love this free country. Sometimes
>> fighting
>> the good fight does help. You have to be the one who decides your
>> actions.
>>
>> I can only say that you and the rest of us as blind people are the true
>> blindness experts. We will only be perceived as such if we promote our
>> expertise consistently and all the time..
>>
>> It is easy to have an excuse for our actions, but consider this. If you
>> give
>> advanced notice and a driver chooses not to come to pick you up then what
>> about the next time that driver gets a request and the requester does not
>> inform the driver about their guide dog? You already have empowered the
>> driver because they simply refused you and there will not be consequences
>> for their refusal. As I said in a previous email denying a request is
>> easy.
>> The driver will never be held accountable for their action, or lack of
>> action, unless they are dumb enough to say they denied you because of
>> their
>> dog. Given that Uber is now putting information out to drivers informing
>> them about their responsibility to accept passengers with guide dogs the
>> smart drivers will never tell and we all lose.
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>>
>> Michael Hingson
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Debby Phillips
>> via nagdu
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 4:08 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Debby Phillips <semisweetdebby at gmail.com>; oagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] service animals and Uber or Lyft again
>>
>> I know you all are dead set against letting folks know.  And I understand
>> that, but if you're short on time, you don't want to be left strandand.
>> I
>> just think people have to use common sense, figure out what is happening
>> in
>> their life at that moment, and do what we need to do.  If I have lots of
>> time, if I am in a safe place where I don't mind waiting, then I don't
>> tell.
>> If I have an emergency and don't want to be left strandand, then I tell.
>> Sorry, but that's the way it is.     Debby and Nova
>>
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Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
(513) 607-6053