[NAGDU] Laws and enforcement

Thu Jan 25 19:47:17 UTC 2018

all states do not have these laws yet, in fact most don't.  But while
your correct in your example, who is actually inforcing these laws?

On 1/25/18, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> It's not new laws that are required; it's enforcement of the laws we have.
> If there's a problem with speeding in my town, the town council doesn't need
> to pass new laws.  They get the police to enforce the laws we already have,
> so people know there are real consequences to them for speeding.
> This is the same thing, IMO.
> Tracy
>
>
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> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie Johnson via
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> Cc: Julie Johnson
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Disappointed in Guiding Eyes for the Blind's Response
>
> I don't think you are understanding my point. Accountability doesn't mean
> passing more laws.  Paperwork doesn't solve behavior problems.
>
> Accountability means the person is given a fine, has to leave the
> establishment or is banned from ever coming back if the behavior is a repeat
> offense.
>
> If the current laws aren't working, passing more laws isn't likely to work
> either.  It's like saying "stop" or I'll say "stop" again.  It's laughable.
> We need to be saying "stop" or you will have to leave.
>
> Julie
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher O'meally via NAGDU
> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 11:59 AM
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> Cc: Christopher O'meally
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Disappointed in Guiding Eyes for the Blind's Response
>
> if holding people accountable is the only suggested plan, I don't see this
> going anywhere.  several states have imposed laws against this, but I see
> mor fakes in public now than ever.  BTW you can buy fake tags.
>
> On 1/25/18, Julie Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Okay, my suggested compromise is showing the rabies tag the dog is
>> wearing at the airport when I arrive for my scheduled flight. This
>> will avoid giving advance notice, will have no burden of additional
>> paperwork, will not
>>
>> cause me to pay for additional vet appointments and will treat me like
>> other
>>
>> passengers.
>>
>> Perhaps people don't know some facts about vaccines.  Only a vet can
>> give the rabies vaccine.  In most/all states the rabies vaccine is the
>> only legally required vaccine, typically every three years. Vaccines
>> such as distemper, parvo etc. are suggested by vets, but not legally
>> required.
>> these diseases are not communicable to people like rabies.  You can give
>> vaccines like distemper at home yourself, saving time and money.   Also
>> causing a problem if you choose to exercise this entirely legal option
>> and then fly using Delta.
>>
>> There is increasing evidence that giving vaccines every year is
>> actually harmful.  Numerous studies show that vaccines are active in
>> the body far longer than a single year.  Over vaccinating can cause
>> physical and behavior
>>
>> problems.
>>
>> I am bothered by all the comments stating that I have this health info
>> anyway, so it's no bother to show it at the airport.  It feels very
>> selfish.
>>
>> Because it's no bother to me personally, I'm not going to think about
>> anyone
>>
>> else or the broader implications.
>>
>> If we want to make progress on this issue, we are going to have to
>> start thinking inclusively of all people with all types of
>> disabilities, at all income levels, in big cities and small, with and
>> without a computer, with big dogs and small, with school provided ID's
>> and not, doing all sorts of tasks and with varying needs.
>>
>> The only way I see to do this is to hold people accountable for the
>> behavior
>>
>> of their dog.  There seems to be a significant barrier in this area.
>> There
>>
>> are already provisions to remove a person or service dog if their
>> behavior is atrocious.  As a society we are reluctant to follow
>> through.  As a society we make more laws, restricting freedoms even
>> more, because we are afraid of confronting people.
>>
>> I'd like to see educational materials on ways businesses can approach
>> a person with a service or emotional support dog that is behaving badly.
>> Businesses need very specific, how to, info on addressing this
>> situation in
>>
>> a way that is respectful, does not escalate the situation and protects
>> the business from a retaliatory lawsuit.
>>
>> In all my years of working with guide dogs, reading service dog news
>> articles, attending various conferences etc.  never once have I come
>> across
>>
>> an instance where a person was asked to remove their out of control
>> dog that
>>
>> was handled respectfully and legally.  There is not a single example I can
>> point to to demonstrate the right thing to do.   News stories highlight
>> out
>>
>> of control dogs, arrogant people and vague demands that something
>> needs to be done.
>>
>> Yes, something needs to be done and that something is to help
>> businesses feel empowered to follow through with what the law currently
>> provides.
>>
>> The problem is the behavior of some dogs and the only way to solve
>> that problem is to do something to address behavior.  Requiring proof of
>> vaccinations or health has very little to do with behavior.   I believe
>> once
>>
>> people face actual consequences for their choice to not get their dog
>> appropriate training they will think seriously about having a repeat
>> experience.  Also once the news starts reporting what happens to
>> people who
>>
>> aren't being responsible, the word will get around and people who want
>> to take advantage will start thinking seriously about their choices.
>>
>> Humans are motivated by pain or pleasure.  To get lasting results the
>> pain of taking an untrained dog on a plane has to outweigh the
>> pleasure they get
>>
>> from having the dog along.  That isn't going to be accomplished with
>> some paperwork.  It will happen when people experience consequences
>> for their poor choices.
>>
>> Julie
>> On The Go with Guide-and-Service-Dogs.com
>> http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com
>> also find my products in the Blind Mice Mega Mall
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>> eid=1916046>
>>
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