[NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and using scientific instruments in my environmental science class?

Wed Sep 25 16:13:09 UTC 2019

Hi all! 
I think I’m at one of the schools who doesn’t have a swell form printer. Unfortunently!!!! 

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> On Sep 25, 2019, at 09:04, Noreen via NFB-Science <nfb-science at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Kendra,
> Regarding accessible observation with a microscope - one way to do that is to have the instructor (or another student) take a picture of the telescopic view (for example, say a close-up of a leaf) with their cell phone by holding the camera over the eyepiece of the microscope. Then print out the picture with a printer (connected to a computer) either on a regular sheet of paper or directly onto a sheet of swell form paper. If you print out the image on a regular sheet of paper, you need to photo copy it onto a sheet of swell form paper. Then you simply run the swell form paper through a swell form machine and you have a tactile picture of the microscopic view.  Many colleges have swell form machines.  I've done with with telescopic observations so it should be as easy with microscopic observations.
> Sincerely,Noreen GriceYou Can Do Astronomy LLC
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kendra Schaber via NFB-Science <nfb-science at nfbnet.org>
> To: NFB Science and Engineering Division List <nfb-science at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Kendra Schaber <redwing731 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wed, Sep 25, 2019 11:55 am
> Subject: Re: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and using scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
> 
> Hi all! 
> Regarding the microscope, I have to agree with you on knowing all of the little cells in environmental science. The reason I brought it up in the first place is because my environmental science teacher himself brought up the microscope and asked me how a blind student could ever use one. I personally wouldn’t have conciddered a microscope in environmental science except for maybe, biology. Mind you, biology is a form of environmental science since it covers ecosystems. The other equipment I ran into yesterday during my lab is an inaccessible anamoniter, a light meter, a humidity gauge, a soil thermometer, and a more scientific air thermometer which comes in the same small unit as the humidity gauge. True, I may be able to hold it a meter off the ground or turn it on and off, but I won’t be able to read it without the human reader in my lab next week. How would you go about using equipment that you don’t know much about or that you don’t see before the lab in question? Do you just have to use a reader the whole time? Regarding the presentation itself, since everything is important and you’ll be missing out a lot, try getting an accessable vertion of the actual presentation itself in accessible electronic form and study it either during the class or later. You can ask the teacher to read it but when graphs and too much information is shown without the required time to read it, the best way to get that missing but critical information is to Annalise the electronic form either in class or later, depending on what works best for you. Just make sure that you don’t get margenelised if you request the teacher to read the screen out loud for your benefit. As for pictures and “Here” and “Here” and “over there”, you’ll have to either ask for clarification from the teacher without margenelization and/or get your hands on the presentations in electronic form and Annalise it either in class or later. You can do this through collaborating with your teacher and disabilities services. It’s a reasonable accomidation to get ahold of that information outside of class via electronic form. I’d make sure you got ahold of it on class day or before so that when you do go to class, it’s there. If you do get it before the day of the class, make sure that you don’t touch it except for testing for inaccessability problems, before walking into the classroom itself to avoid missing out on the importance of attending the class. If someone has got something better than what I found that has worked for me. Also, you can request picture descriptions in writen form or use a reader/scribe of some form to get visual interpritation on your time. 
> 
> 
> "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author Unknown. 
> Thank you for reading this email! Also, please note that I have eighth grade spelling. I'm well known for spelling mistakes. Ironicly, writing is one of my gifts. 
> Blessed  Be! 
> Kendra Schaber, 
> Student of Chemeketa Community College, 
> member of 350.ORG Salem, 
> Member of the National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter. 
> Writing on my Polaris Braille Sense. 
> Using both Gmail and Outlook. 
> Go Detroit, Red Wings! Go Pittsburgh, Penguins! Go Portland, Winterhawks! Go Baltimore, Oriels!  Go Baltimore, Ravens! Go Oregon State Beavers, baseball and football teams!  
> 
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 09:21, Newton Nguyen via NFB-Science <nfb-science at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kendra,
>> 
>> Given all the options that were given to you, I still think that the tactile drawing board is the most practical way to do it, as it is more affordable, you can get it before your class ends and not in 2100, and it is easiest to learn. You still need a scribe and reader, though, but I think this is the most efficient way to get your work done this semester. Maybe the long term solution should be to purchase more technology, but I'm thinking near term solutions.
>> 
>> For understanding presentations in your class, it's mostly up to the presenter to present things accessibly, and that is not usually the case. I don't know how to deal with that problem myself... I just accept I'm going to miss a lot of the information encapsulated in the graph and ask clarifying questions later.
>> 
>> For things like seeing through microscopes, my experience was it is easier to have a lab assistant help you with describing what they see or sketch it out. As someone who has lots of experience in the climate field, I think being able to describe and see microbes is not a very important part of the science.
>> 
>> I wish I can give you better solutions than having a sighted person help you, but that's the reality we have to deal with. Having a sighted assistant helps make things move along more quickly and they are much more versatile in terms of learning how to perform different tasks.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Newton 
>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 7:50 AM, Kendra Schaber via NFB-Science <nfb-science at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all! 
>>> I totally get the whole concept of reading and interpreting graphs. However, as of now, I don’t have access to the tactile world except for hard copy braille and my braille display. As far as I know, braille displays don’t make scientific graphs. They only make sertain math graphs and perform calculations for math problems. This one is a totally different ball game. Part of the problem is efficency in being able to make a scientific graph with the redsources that I currently have, not resources in the future. Like in the climatology world, the future is actually my writing class and environmental science lab today, not the year 2100. Since I don’t have resources to the high tech braille printers, I’m looking for the most efficent and effective way to work with scientific graphs to survive my current environmental science class. I suspect the only way is a reader and scribe, even outside of my class. I’ll have to pick the brains of the school’s tutoring center and my accomidations specialist. I did suggest tables because they are the most accessable way to read the kind of information that’s found in a graph with a screen reader. Believe me, most sighted humans find graphs boring to read and because of that, it’s hard to get one who wouldn’t have to be paid an arm and a leg to accurately read one out loud. As it is, I’ve already had to advocate for tables to survive 350.ORG presentations because before most of the more scientific presentations stopped by general consensus of the group, 9 times out of ten, the presentor would have so much information that I always missed out. This is why I’m a strong believer in tables, not graphs. Since you can’t survive science class without graphs, I’m looking for the most effective way around this major problem and do it with the resources and lack there of that’s already available to me now! 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author Unknown. 
>>> Thank you for reading this email! Also, please note that I have eighth grade spelling. I'm well known for spelling mistakes. Ironicly, writing is one of my gifts. 
>>> Blessed  Be! 
>>> Kendra Schaber, 
>>> Student of Chemeketa Community College, 
>>> member of 350.ORG Salem, 
>>> Member of the National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter. 
>>> Writing on my Polaris Braille Sense. 
>>> Using both Gmail and Outlook. 
>>> Go Detroit, Red Wings! Go Pittsburgh, Penguins! Go Portland, Winterhawks! Go Baltimore, Oriels!  Go Baltimore, Ravens! Go Oregon State Beavers, baseball and football teams!  
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 23, 2019, at 18:03, Elizabeth Mohnke via NFB-Science <nfb-science at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Kendra,
>>>> 
>>>> Accommodations like these depend on your skills and resources as well as the skills and resources of your college or university. Others have already given you some alternatives for creating graphs that can be handed in to your sighted professor. However, if you do not know how to use the technology they mentioned to you, or you do not have access to it, you can also use a reader or scribe to create graphs using pencil and paper. 
>>>> 
>>>> We were required to create a simple bar graph by hand in my general environmental biology class. However, I found that I had no trouble doing this using the reader who was assigned to work with me when working on lab assignments and other in-class activities. I know some blind students will pair up with another sighted classmate for this sort of thing. But I never found working with other sighted classmates to work well for me.
>>>> 
>>>> Finally, if you are required to learn how to read and interpret graphs as a part of class, then I am not completely sure how receiving all your course materials as tables  will help you accomplish this goal. It seems to me that tactile graphics would be a more suitable alternative as turning graphical information into a table may alter the assignment or course goal of learning how to read and interpret graphs.
>>>> 
>>>> I hope you can find the best way of dealing with this graphnical information for your class. I feel like tactile graphics should be considered and discussed for any math, science, or statistics class.
>>>> 
>>>> Warm regards,
>>>> Elizabeth
>>>> 
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>>>> From: NFB-Science [mailto:nfb-science-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kendra Schaber via NFB-Science
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 5:00 PM
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>>>> Cc: Kendra Schaber <redwing731 at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and using scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all! 
>>>> I know I don’t post very often in less I run into something major. I ran into something major today for my environmental science class. I wasn’t effected during the first class period itself. When I met up with my science teacher after class during my lunch break, some questions came up that I had some idea on how to answer but was missing critical information. How do I go about making graphs in an environmental science class? According to my science teacher, he informed me that I have to actually turn scientific data and promptly turn it intto a graph. Since I’m blind, there are some major accessability problems around any graph items that come up in any form. I told him to use tables instead of graphs when sending me information electronically. But it still doesn’t answer the question of how to make them. I’m not just talking about the graphs that most see in math classes. I’m talking about things like bar graphs, pie graphs, exponential graphs and simular. How do you all navigate this problem? Also, the other query came up with scientific equipment. One example is microscopes. I said that my in class assistant might be able to look into one for me and give me the information that’s acquired only via looking through a microscope. There might be other tools that I don’t know about, however, it still leaves yet another accessability gap with us blind science students. So, how do I navigate scientific measuring and data colecting instruments? Do I only use my in class aid or will I have to acquire additional tools? Can I use an in class assistant until I can get such tools? The earlier I know this information, the better off I’ll be. Thank you!!! 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author Unknown. 
>>>> Thank you for reading this email! Also, please note that I have eighth grade spelling. I'm well known for spelling mistakes. Ironicly, writing is one of my gifts. 
>>>> Blessed  Be! 
>>>> Kendra Schaber, 
>>>> Student of Chemeketa Community College, 
>>>> member of 350.ORG Salem, 
>>>> Member of the National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter. 
>>>> Writing on my Polaris Braille Sense. 
>>>> Using both Gmail and Outlook. 
>>>> Go Detroit, Red Wings! Go Pittsburgh, Penguins! Go Portland, Winterhawks! Go Baltimore, Oriels!  Go Baltimore, Ravens! Go Oregon State Beavers, baseball and football teams!  
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