[nfb-talk] Losing DVS

Thu Jan 15 23:17:39 UTC 2009

John,

Instead of wining at us, go forth and campaign for what you believe you
need somewhere where it can possible do you some good.  Most of us do
not share your belief.  So we are not going to try to force people to do
what you want.  

You could, if you were so inclined, begin lobbying the government for
what you want.  Before you claim that you cannot manage it as one
person, you can align yourself with the ACB.  They are of the same mind
set as yourself on this issue.  

All your posts have done here is reinforce the belief held by most of us
that all you really want to do is complain about the NFB.  Take some
positive action for a change and maybe we will take you more seriously.

THANKS, WILLIAM

-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of John G. Heim
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:43 PM
To: NFB Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Losing DVS

Exactly!

The National Federation of the Blind -- note the word "blind" in the
name --  
aligned itself withTV producers to overturn a FCC regulation that would
have 
meant that I'd still have DVS.  I lost my access to DVS because the NFB 
doesn't think it should be mandatory.

Thanks NFB.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Losing DVS

> It's only your *OPINION* though that DVS should be mandatory.  You are

> just mad because the NFB doesn't share your opinion.  Let's be honest 
> about it.
>
>
> In Christ,
> Alan
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John G. Heim" <jheim at math.wisc.edu>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 08:47
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Losing DVS
>
>
>> Every time I criticize the NFB, all you people want to do is make it 
>> about
>> me. Well, as usual, I'm not going to allow that. This is not about
me.  I 
>> am
>> going to discuss the issue whether you like it or not!
>>
>> I already provided a URL for a page that quotes the TV and movie 
>> producers
>> using the NFB's own statements in it's legal argument.  These are 
>> *facts*.
>> If you don't like them, too bad.
>>
>> The NFB made a mistake in opposing the mandate for DVS. If the
mandate 
>> had
>> continued, I'd have DVS on my digital broadcast today. Now, the best
you 
>> can
>> do is argue that the mandate would have been over turned regardless
of 
>> what
>> the NFB did. Yet the fact remains that the NFB opposed the mandate
and
>> almost certainly contributed to it being over turned.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>> To: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>; "NFB Talk Mailing List"
>> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 4:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Losing DVS
>>
>>
>>> Ray,
>>>
>>> You're wasting your breath on this score.  The party line held by
some
>>> organizations is that we oppose DVS, and anyone who stops supporting
DVS
>>> does so because of us.  You've been baited.
>>>
>>> Joseph
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 03:50:39PM -0600, Ray Foret jr wrote:
>>>>With all due respect, sir, you are wrong.  Before explaining why,
let me
>>>>suggest that you correct your own misinformation by reading all we
have 
>>>>to
>>>>say on the subject in the various Braille Monitors now available on
our
>>>>site.  Maybe instead of spouting off in impulsive and emotional 
>>>>irrational
>>>>anger, you should better aquaint yourself with what we really said 
>>>>first.
>>>>
>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>>>
>>>>"Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years
abroad 
>>>>you
>>>>come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from your
own
>>>>land"
>>>>George Seferis
>>>>
>>>>Phone or Fax::
>>>>+1 (985) 360-3375
>>>>e-mail:
>>>>rforetjratcomcastdotnet
>>>>Skype Name:
>>>>barefootedray
>>>
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