[nfb-talk] Here We Go Again

Constance Canode satin-bear at sbcglobal.net
Sat Dec 4 19:53:55 UTC 2010 

You are just too funny Ray.  Thanks for the smile.

Connie Canode
At 01:35 PM 12/4/2010, you wrote:
>No Connie, it would not.  Aint nothin' but an airhead.
>
>We can try and try and try all we want; but, the plain fact is, he 
>aint gonna listen.
>
>Just like his good buddy John.
>
>
>Sincerely,
>The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
>Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>
>Skype Name:
>barefootedray
>
>On Dec 4, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Constance Canode wrote:
>
> > Brian, would a crowbar open your closed mind.
> >
> > Connie Canode
> > At 10:05 AM 12/4/2010, you wrote:
> >> Maybe it's you who doesn't get our point.  I feel like I would 
> make more progress convencing a brick wall.
> >>
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> >>
> >> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
> >>
> >> Skype Name:
> >> barefootedray
> >>
> >> On Dec 4, 2010, at 9:58 AM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
> >>
> >> > everyone doesn't get the speed point.
> >> > how much extra time did it take him compared to same skill of 
> a sighted builder and how much material had to be recut?
> >> >
> >> > Bryan Schulz
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Constance Canode" 
> <satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
> >> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >> > Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 9:32 AM
> >> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> We have a very close friend, totally blind who can do just 
> about anything. He repairs cars, he remodeled his basement, 
> rebuilding the steps, and recently built us a porch on the back of 
> our house.  He built a beautiful deck on his own house and did it 
> single-handedly.  He does electrical work, plumbing and just about 
> anything else you can name.  I wish my husband could do what he can 
> do.  It would have saved us a ton of money years ago before I knew 
> him.  Of course we paid for the porch, but since he is a friend, we 
> made a good deal.  Never under-estimate the ability of a competent 
> blind person.  With the right tools and knowledge, you can do 
> whatever you choose.
> >> >>
> >> >> Connie Canode
> >> >> At 09:13 AM 12/4/2010, you wrote:
> >> >>> Brian,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Get a life.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Gloria Whipple
> >> >>> Corresponding Secretary
> >> >>> Inland Empire chapter
> >> >>> nfb of WA
> >> >>>
> >> >>> cell number: 509-475-4993
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
> [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >> >>> Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
> >> >>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 8:11 PM
> >> >>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> >> >>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
> >> >>>
> >> >>> And what would you propose?  Leaving things the way they 
> are?  Don't you
> >> >>> think there are any blind people actually involved in the 
> building of their
> >> >>> own homes?  Could it be that you don't think we do much of 
> anything?  Oh, of
> >> >>> course.  Sit in rocking chairs and listen to our state 
> provided reading
> >> >>> radio service.  Yeah, that's the life for sure.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Sincerely,
> >> >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Skype Name:
> >> >>> barefootedray
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 8:09 PM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > wishful thinking...
> >> >>> > people here have no clue what happens in the one week build.
> >> >>> > a relative worked on one and there were all kind of 
> worksmanship f-ups > and
> >> >>> people running everywhere.
> >> >>> > you really think a blind guy is going to carry sheets of 
> drywall with
> >> >>> material and tools all over the site without falling?
> >> >>> > you don't get the pace.  just like there is a blind guy 
> who owns a > racing
> >> >>> team but doesn't do the actual repair during race day due to the time
> >> >>> limits.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Bryan Schulz
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Constance Canode"
> >> >>> <satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
> >> >>> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 7:43 PM
> >> >>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >> Ray, that is an absolutely awesome idea.  Now if we can 
> implement it,
> >> >>> people would certainly get a different perspective on what 
> blind people are
> >> >>> really like.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> Connie Canode
> >> >>> >> At 11:43 AM 12/3/2010, you wrote:
> >> >>> >>> YOu know Peter, I was just kind of thinking.  I know of 
> only one way >>> to
> >> >>> stop this.  What we need to do is get some independent and 
> competent blind
> >> >>> people on the make over crew.  Once we do that, maybe 
> they'll get the idea.
> >> >>> Barring that, maybe we ought to have some competent blind 
> people at least
> >> >>> helping out on a make-over project; since I'm sure they 
> wouldn't let us
> >> >>> officially be part of what I presume bills itself as a professional
> >> >>> make-over crew.
> >> >>> >>> Thoughts?
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> Sincerely,
> >> >>> >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> Skype Name:
> >> >>> >>> barefootedray
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Peter Donahue wrote:
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> > Hello John and everyone,
> >> >>> >>> >
> >> >>> >>> >    If you take the time to read the message I sent concerning an
> >> >>> >>> experience
> >> >>> >>> > we had when looking for an apartment last spring you'd 
> understand >>> > why
> >> >>> > the
> >> >>> >>> > red flags are flying. If Extreme Make-Over Home 
> Edition continues
> >> >>> >>> to portray
> >> >>> >>> > us as helpless unable to live on our own without major
> >> >>> >>> modifications to the
> >> >>> >>> > home environment or a presumed dependency on a million gadgets >
> >> >>> incidents
> >> >>> >>> > like the one I described in my message earlier this morning will
> >> >>> >>> continue to
> >> >>> >>> > happen to blind people seeking housing. While we can't 
> prove that >>> > the
> >> >>> >>> > manager at that apartment complex was influenced by an 
> episode of
> >> >>> >>> this show
> >> >>> >>> > where a blind person or a couple were featured if this 
> TV network
> >> >>> >>> continues
> >> >>> >>> > to cast us as unable to manage our own home they'll certainly be
> >> >>> >>> suspect in
> >> >>> >>> > my book.
> >> >>> >>> >
> >> >>> >>> > Peter Donahue
> >> >>> >>> >
> >> >>> >>> >
> >> >>> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> >>> > From: "John Heim" <john at johnheim.net>
> >> >>> >>> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>> >>> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:40 AM
> >> >>> >>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
> >> >>> >>> >
> >> >>> >>> >
> >> >>> >>> > Well, I'd presume because you don't make a lot of money as a
> >> >>> disability
> >> >>> >>> > advocate.
> >> >>> >>> >
> >> >>> >>> >
> >> >>> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> >>> > From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
> >> >>> >>> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>> >>> > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 8:40 PM
> >> >>> >>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
> >> >>> >>> >
> >> >>> >>> >
> >> >>> >>> >> I feel the same way.  First question that came to 
> find...If these >>> >>  >>
> >> >>> people
> >> >>> >>> >> are
> >> >>> >>> >> so fantastic and can motivate everyone to get past their
> >> >>> disabilities, >> and
> >> >>> >>> >> they have learned so much in the four years they've 
> been blind, >>> >> why
> >> >>> >> can't
> >> >>> >>> >> they maintain their house so it isn't falling down around them?
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>> >> Cindy
> >> >>> >>> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> >>> >> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
> >> >>> >>> >> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>> >>> >> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 9:16 PM
> >> >>> >>> >> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>> >> I hate to be this way, but, how come I'm already 
> skepticle? >>> >> Anyone
> >> >>> >> care
> >> >>> >>> >> to
> >> >>> >>> >> guess why?
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>> >> Sincerely,
> >> >>> >>> >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>> >> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>> >> Skype Name:
> >> >>> >>> >> barefootedray
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>> >> On Dec 2, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Ryan O wrote:
> >> >>> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> >>> >>> Q From: Mary Watkins
> >> >>> >>> >>> To: MAG_News at mail4.wgbh.org
> >> >>> >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 1:06 PM
> >> >>> >>> >>> Subject: WGBH's Media Access Group Encourages Tuning 
> into ABC'S >>> >>>  >>>
> >> >>> "Extreme
> >> >>> >>> >>> Makeover: Home Edition" on Sunday, December 5
> >> >>> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> >>> WGBH's Media Access Group Encourages Tuning into 
> ABC'S "Extreme >>> >>>  >>>
> >> >>> Makeover:
> >> >>> >>> >>> Home Edition"
> >> >>> >>> >>> on Sunday, December 5 (8-9pm, EST)
> >> >>> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> >>> The Media Access Group at WGBH encourages all those 
> interested in
> >> >>> >>> >>> inclusive
> >> >>> >>> >>> technology for people who are blind or have low 
> vision to tune >>> >>> into
> >> >>> >>> >>> "Extreme
> >> >>> >>> >>> Makeover: Home Edition" this Sunday evening, 
> December 5. While we
> >> >>> >>> can't
> >> >>> >>> >>> provide any specific information on what will be 
> seen and heard >>> >>> (it
> >> >>> >>> would
> >> >>> >>> >>> spoil the surprise!), the episode promises to create 
> much greater
> >> >>> >>> >>> awareness
> >> >>> >>> >>> of the services and products now available for 
> people who have >>> >>>  >>>
> >> >>> limited or
> >> >>> >>> >>> no
> >> >>> >>> >>> sight.
> >> >>> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> >>> Here is the information the production company has 
> released in >>> >>>  >>>
> >> >>> advance
> >> >>> >>> >>> about
> >> >>> >>> >>> this episode:
> >> >>> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> >>> The "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition" team has 
> selected the >>> >>> Anderson
> >> >>> >>> >>> Family
> >> >>> >>> >>> in Cleveland, Ohio. The family of four answered the 
> call to >>> >>> action
> >> >>> >>> when
> >> >>> >>> >>> they
> >> >>> >>> >>> inspired the community to heighten their awareness 
> of the >>> >>> obstacles
> >> >>> >>> >>> facing
> >> >>> >>> >>> the disabled in their community. Diving headlong 
> into their work,
> >> >>> >>> Andre
> >> >>> >>> >>> and
> >> >>> >>> >>> Jasmine have dedicated their time to supporting and 
> counseling >>> >>> the
> >> >>> >>> >>> disabled
> >> >>> >>> >>> by connecting them with resources to help them live 
> and lead more
> >> >>> >>> >>> independent lives. The Andersons have proven to be 
> the definitive
> >> >>> >>> role
> >> >>> >>> >>> models as they themselves lost their sight 4 years ago.
> >> >>> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> >>> Empowered by their own obstacles, Andre and Jasmine 
> have never >>> >>> let
> >> >>> >>> >>> anything
> >> >>> >>> >>> slow them down. Together they have teamed to 
> complete grad >>> >>> school,
> >> >>> >>> run a
> >> >>> >>> >>> center for people with disabilities, created a 
> support group, and
> >> >>> all
> >> >>> >>> >>> while
> >> >>> >>> >>> balancing life at home with their 2 boys (one of 
> whom is hearing
> >> >>> >>> >>> impaired).
> >> >>> >>> >>> Despite having lost their sight after their sons, Jasison and
> >> >>> Jahzion
> >> >>> >>> >>> were
> >> >>> >>> >>> born, Andre and Jasmine have rallied back and have 
> embraced their
> >> >>> >>> >>> reality.
> >> >>> >>> >>> While they continue to empower their community, the 
> family has >>> >>> hit a
> >> >>> >>> >>> rough
> >> >>> >>> >>> patch. Their home is falling apart around them and 
> it has become
> >> >>> >>> >>> complicated
> >> >>> >>> >>> and hazardous for them to live in especially in the 
> face of how
> >> >>> their
> >> >>> >>> >>> needs
> >> >>> >>> >>> continue to grow.
> >> >>> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> >>> On September 29th the Andersons will have some 
> changes in sight >>> >>> when
> >> >>> >>> Ty
> >> >>> >>> >>> Pennington, designers Michael Maloney, Tracy Huston, 
> and Xzibit >>> >>>  >>>
> >> >>> deliver a
> >> >>> >>> >>> "Smart House" in just 7 days. Local builders Marous 
> Brothers >>>
> >> >>> Construction
> >> >>> >>> >>> and community volunteers will rebuild the structure 
> and give them
> >> >>> the >>> key
> >> >>> >>> >>> to
> >> >>> >>> >>> live above and beyond their wildest dreams. The 
> Andersons will >>> >>>  >>>
> >> >>> vacation
> >> >>> >>> >>> in
> >> >>> >>> >>> Crested Butte, Colorado.
> >> >>> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> >>> About "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition"
> >> >>> >>> >>> The Emmy-award winning reality program "Extreme 
> Makeover: Home >>> >>>  >>>
> >> >>> Edition,"
> >> >>> >>> >>> now
> >> >>> >>> >>> in its 8th season, is produced by Endemol USA, a 
> division of >>> >>> Endemol
> >> >>> >>> >>> Holding. It's executive-produced Brady Connell and 
> George >>> >>> Verschoor.
> >> >>> >>> >>> David
> >> >>> >>> >>> Goldberg is Chairman, Endemol North America. The 
> show airs >>> >>> Sundays
> >> >>> >>> from
> >> >>> >>> >>> 8:00-9:00 p.m., ET on ABC.
> >> >>> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> >>> About the Media Access Group at WGBH
> >> >>> >>> >>> The Media Access Group at WGBH, which includes a 
> Services >>> >>> division
> >> >>> >>> and a
> >> >>> >>> >>> research and development division--the Carl and Ruth 
> Shapiro >>> >>> Family
> >> >>> >>> >>> National
> >> >>> >>> >>> Center for Accessible Media--has pioneered and 
> delivered >>> >>> captioned
> >> >>> >>> and
> >> >>> >>> >>> described media for nearly four decades to people in 
> their homes,
> >> >>> >>> >>> classrooms, at work and in the community. And the 
> Media Access >>> >>> Group
> >> >>> >>> >>> continues to develop new solutions to access challenges as >>>
> >> >>> technology,
> >> >>> >>> >>> and
> >> >>> >>> >>> the way we all consume media, evolve. Members of the 
> group's >>>
> >> >>> collective
> >> >>> >>> >>> staff represent the leading experts in their fields and their
> >> >>> success >>> is
> >> >>> >>> >>> exemplified by a history of accomplishments and 
> continuous >>> >>> growth,
> >> >>> >>> the
> >> >>> >>> >>> integration of innovative products and services into 
> society at >>> >>>  >>>
> >> >>> large,
> >> >>> >>> >>> and
> >> >>> >>> >>> the enthusiastic support of the audiences served, 
> including 36 >>> >>>  >>>
> >> >>> million
> >> >>> >>> >>> people who are deaf, hard of hearing, blind or have 
> low vision. >>> >>> More
> >> >>> >>> >>> information about the Media Access Group at WGBH can 
> be found at:
> >> >>> >>> >>> http://access.wgbh.org.
> >> >>> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> >>> Contact:
> >> >>> >>> >>> Mary Watkins
> >> >>> >>> >>> mary_watkins at wgbh.org
> >> >>> >>> >>> 617 300-3700
> >> >>> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> >>> RyanO
> >> >>> >>> >>>
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