[nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
qubit
lauraeaves at yahoo.com
Sat Dec 4 23:29:27 UTC 2010
There's another consideration that I know we all have run up against.
It is that in a work environment -- in my case, a computer-centric job and
environment -- changes in technology can trip you up as much as it can help.
I'm thinking of windows replacing unix in my work environment. There were
screen readers of course, but look at the roller coaster ride keeping the
software you use and the internet that is pervasive in a state that is easy
to use by the blind.
Apply that to other areas as well. It is easy to trip up a blind person
with a change in job description or environment, unless he/she is able to do
2 jobs -- the main job, and the job of staying on top of obstacles.
It is this that I think slows down a blind person. It is true we are able
to do a lot of things as well and as fast as sighted persons, but things
change and access takes work.
Now I made the mistake of saying something like this to my brother, who is
not blind, and his comment was to dash that excuse, as it was that way for
everybody. People almost never do the same job they studied to do in
college. Times change. Jobs come and go. (This brother got laid off his
engineering job a few months ago, and worried what he was going to do.
Fortunately, he got a new job and started a few weeks ago. But he had worked
for the previous company for 23 years and just got shuffled into a losing
organization and got laid off.
Anyway, happy holidays all.
I just came from a church activity where they were making Christmas
ornaments. The young lady teaching the class was so taken aback that I was
blind that she could hardly talk to me, but I managed to assemble the
ornament -- an angel tree topper made from beads and safety pins.
It was not hard -- the hard part was this lady's tendency to pull the work
away from me and try to show me how to do it without letting me touch it.
My mother also was there and she even kept running to her, but thankfully
Mom knew better and told her to talk to me. In the end I thanked the lady
for the class and she sounded so relieved.
This is why I appreciate the nfb-krafters-korner group.
See www.krafterskorner.org
We do telephone conferencing to teach each other crafts over the phone.
Anyone who wants to see the current class list can go to the website.
Ok, that is what I do for fun. Now I have to get back to work. Take care
and happy season!
--le
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
I have already said no personal attacks. I am about to put this
whole list on moderated status.
I think Bryan is a Federationist -- but whether or not he is has
nothing to do with any of this. Peter, you feel free to disagree
with the NFB about what you feel is important, and Bryan should have
the same freedom.
I think that Bryan could say what he is saying in a more
constructive, positive manner, but that doesn't mean that what he is
saying is wrong.
There is an 800 pound guerrilla in the room, and none of us likes to
admit it -- but that won't make him go away. The guerrilla is that
it does take us longer to do some things. I also understand that
there are huge negative attitudes about blindness and blind people,
and none of us likes or wants to open this door publicly, but it is
still there. We need to be honest among ourselves, and not attack
each other. We are all on the same side here.
David Andrews, Moderator
At 11:27 AM 12/4/2010, you wrote:
>Hello Bryan and everyone,
>
> I thought you were a federationist.
>
>Peter Donahue
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 11:13 PM
>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>
>
>put up some $$ cuz they say bs walks!
>i'm tired of people talking smack and telling other people they are full of
>sh$$ about various topics.
>i have been going to professional nhra drag races for 20 years and the
>teams
>do rebuild an alcohol or nitro motor in about 30 minutes after each run.
>
>Jay Blake owns the follow a dream alcohol funny car and he is completely
>capable of working on the motor but not at the same pace as sighted
>mechanics on race day and has the sense to accept that instead of being a
>weak link.
>
>Bryan Schulz
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:34 PM
>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>
>
> > Got news for you bro. There's no way it takes just thirty minutes.
> > You've heard of editing right?
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> >
> > Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
> >
> > Skype Name:
> > barefootedray
> >
> > On Dec 3, 2010, at 10:29 PM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
> >
> >> don't play the pity card bro!
> >> i'm just telling people what happens in the real world outside of the
> >> nfb
> >> bubble.
> >> did you understand it's the pace and not the ability?
> >> the man's race team completely rebuilds a motor in 30 minutes.
> >> i would love to see the blind man actually spinning the air gun and
> >> working on the motor on race day but he has realized that the team has
> >> more success when he stays out of the way and let his employees perform
> >> the rebuild.
> >>
> >> Bryan Schulz
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
> >> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:11 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
> >>
> >>
> >>> And what would you propose? Leaving things the way they are? Don't
> >>> you
> >>> think there are any blind people actually involved in the building of
> >>> their own homes? Could it be that you don't think we do much of
> >>> anything? Oh, of course. Sit in rocking chairs and listen to our
> >>> state
> >>> provided reading radio service. Yeah, that's the life for sure.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sincerely,
> >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> >>>
> >>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
> >>>
> >>> Skype Name:
> >>> barefootedray
> >>>
> >>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 8:09 PM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> wishful thinking...
> >>>> people here have no clue what happens in the one week build.
> >>>> a relative worked on one and there were all kind of worksmanship
> >>>> f-ups
> >>>> and people running everywhere.
> >>>> you really think a blind guy is going to carry sheets of drywall with
> >>>> material and tools all over the site without falling?
> >>>> you don't get the pace. just like there is a blind guy who owns a
> >>>> racing team but doesn't do the actual repair during race day due to
> >>>> the
> >>>> time limits.
> >>>>
> >>>> Bryan Schulz
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Constance Canode"
> >>>> <satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
> >>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 7:43 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Ray, that is an absolutely awesome idea. Now if we can implement
> >>>>> it,
> >>>>> people would certainly get a different perspective on what blind
> >>>>> people are really like.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Connie Canode
> >>>>> At 11:43 AM 12/3/2010, you wrote:
> >>>>>> YOu know Peter, I was just kind of thinking. I know of only one
> >>>>>> way
> >>>>>> to stop this. What we need to do is get some independent and
> >>>>>> competent blind people on the make over crew. Once we do that,
> >>>>>> maybe
> >>>>>> they'll get the idea. Barring that, maybe we ought to have some
> >>>>>> competent blind people at least helping out on a make-over project;
> >>>>>> since I'm sure they wouldn't let us officially be part of what I
> >>>>>> presume bills itself as a professional make-over crew.
> >>>>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sincerely,
> >>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Skype Name:
> >>>>>> barefootedray
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Peter Donahue wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> > Hello John and everyone,
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > If you take the time to read the message I sent concerning an
> >>>>>> experience
> >>>>>> > we had when looking for an apartment last spring you'd understand
> >>>>>> > why > > the
> >>>>>> > red flags are flying. If Extreme Make-Over Home Edition continues
> >>>>>> to portray
> >>>>>> > us as helpless unable to live on our own without major
> >>>>>> modifications to the
> >>>>>> > home environment or a presumed dependency on a million gadgets >
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > incidents
> >>>>>> > like the one I described in my message earlier this morning will
> >>>>>> continue to
> >>>>>> > happen to blind people seeking housing. While we can't prove that
> >>>>>> > the
> >>>>>> > manager at that apartment complex was influenced by an episode of
> >>>>>> this show
> >>>>>> > where a blind person or a couple were featured if this TV network
> >>>>>> continues
> >>>>>> > to cast us as unable to manage our own home they'll certainly be
> >>>>>> suspect in
> >>>>>> > my book.
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > Peter Donahue
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>> > From: "John Heim" <john at johnheim.net>
> >>>>>> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:40 AM
> >>>>>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > Well, I'd presume because you don't make a lot of money as a >
> >>>>>> > disability
> >>>>>> > advocate.
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>> > From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
> >>>>>> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>> > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 8:40 PM
> >>>>>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >> I feel the same way. First question that came to find...If
> >>>>>> >> these
> >>>>>> >> >> >> people
> >>>>>> >> are
> >>>>>> >> so fantastic and can motivate everyone to get past their >>
> >>>>>> >> disabilities, >> and
> >>>>>> >> they have learned so much in the four years they've been blind,
> >>>>>> >> why >> >> can't
> >>>>>> >> they maintain their house so it isn't falling down around them?
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> Cindy
> >>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>> >> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
> >>>>>> >> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>> >> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 9:16 PM
> >>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> I hate to be this way, but, how come I'm already skepticle?
> >>>>>> >> Anyone >> >> care
> >>>>>> >> to
> >>>>>> >> guess why?
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> Sincerely,
> >>>>>> >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> Skype Name:
> >>>>>> >> barefootedray
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> On Dec 2, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Ryan O wrote:
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>> >>> Q From: Mary Watkins
> >>>>>> >>> To: MAG_News at mail4.wgbh.org
> >>>>>> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 1:06 PM
> >>>>>> >>> Subject: WGBH's Media Access Group Encourages Tuning into ABC'S
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>> "Extreme
> >>>>>> >>> Makeover: Home Edition" on Sunday, December 5
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>> WGBH's Media Access Group Encourages Tuning into ABC'S "Extreme
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>> Makeover:
> >>>>>> >>> Home Edition"
> >>>>>> >>> on Sunday, December 5 (8-9pm, EST)
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>> The Media Access Group at WGBH encourages all those interested
> >>>>>> >>> in
> >>>>>> >>> inclusive
> >>>>>> >>> technology for people who are blind or have low vision to tune
> >>>>>> >>> into
> >>>>>> >>> "Extreme
> >>>>>> >>> Makeover: Home Edition" this Sunday evening, December 5. While
> >>>>>> >>> we
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>> can't
> >>>>>> >>> provide any specific information on what will be seen and heard
> >>>>>> >>> (it >>> >>> would
> >>>>>> >>> spoil the surprise!), the episode promises to create much
> >>>>>> >>> greater
> >>>>>> >>> awareness
> >>>>>> >>> of the services and products now available for people who have
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>> limited or
> >>>>>> >>> no
> >>>>>> >>> sight.
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>> Here is the information the production company has released in
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>> advance
> >>>>>> >>> about
> >>>>>> >>> this episode:
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>> The "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition" team has selected the
> >>>>>> >>> Anderson
> >>>>>> >>> Family
> >>>>>> >>> in Cleveland, Ohio. The family of four answered the call to
> >>>>>> >>> action >>> >>> when
> >>>>>> >>> they
> >>>>>> >>> inspired the community to heighten their awareness of the
> >>>>>> >>> obstacles
> >>>>>> >>> facing
> >>>>>> >>> the disabled in their community. Diving headlong into their
> >>>>>> >>> work,
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>> Andre
> >>>>>> >>> and
> >>>>>> >>> Jasmine have dedicated their time to supporting and counseling
> >>>>>> >>> the
> >>>>>> >>> disabled
> >>>>>> >>> by connecting them with resources to help them live and lead
> >>>>>> >>> more
> >>>>>> >>> independent lives. The Andersons have proven to be the
> >>>>>> >>> definitive
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>> role
> >>>>>> >>> models as they themselves lost their sight 4 years ago.
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>> Empowered by their own obstacles, Andre and Jasmine have never
> >>>>>> >>> let
> >>>>>> >>> anything
> >>>>>> >>> slow them down. Together they have teamed to complete grad
> >>>>>> >>> school, >>> >>> run a
> >>>>>> >>> center for people with disabilities, created a support group,
> >>>>>> >>> and
> >>>>>> >>> >>> all
> >>>>>> >>> while
> >>>>>> >>> balancing life at home with their 2 boys (one of whom is
> >>>>>> >>> hearing
> >>>>>> >>> impaired).
> >>>>>> >>> Despite having lost their sight after their sons, Jasison and
> >>>>>> >>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>> Jahzion
> >>>>>> >>> were
> >>>>>> >>> born, Andre and Jasmine have rallied back and have embraced
> >>>>>> >>> their
> >>>>>> >>> reality.
> >>>>>> >>> While they continue to empower their community, the family has
> >>>>>> >>> hit >>> a
> >>>>>> >>> rough
> >>>>>> >>> patch. Their home is falling apart around them and it has
> >>>>>> >>> become
> >>>>>> >>> complicated
> >>>>>> >>> and hazardous for them to live in especially in the face of how
> >>>>>> >>> >>> their
> >>>>>> >>> needs
> >>>>>> >>> continue to grow.
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>> On September 29th the Andersons will have some changes in sight
> >>>>>> >>> >>> when >>> Ty
> >>>>>> >>> Pennington, designers Michael Maloney, Tracy Huston, and Xzibit
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>> deliver a
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> >>>>>> >>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> Construction
> >>>>>> >>> and community volunteers will rebuild the structure and give
> >>>>>> >>> them
> >>>>>> >>> >>> the >>> key
> >>>>>> >>> to
> >>>>>> >>> live above and beyond their wildest dreams. The Andersons will
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>> vacation
> >>>>>> >>> in
> >>>>>> >>> Crested Butte, Colorado.
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>> About "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition"
> >>>>>> >>> The Emmy-award winning reality program "Extreme Makeover: Home
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>> Edition,"
> >>>>>> >>> now
> >>>>>> >>> in its 8th season, is produced by Endemol USA, a division of
> >>>>>> >>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>> Endemol
> >>>>>> >>> Holding. It's executive-produced Brady Connell and George >>>
> >>>>>> >>> Verschoor.
> >>>>>> >>> David
> >>>>>> >>> Goldberg is Chairman, Endemol North America. The show airs
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> >>>>>> >>>
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> >>>>>> >>> The Media Access Group at WGBH, which includes a Services
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> >>>>>> >>> National
> >>>>>> >>> Center for Accessible Media--has pioneered and delivered
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> >>>>>> >>> homes,
> >>>>>> >>> classrooms, at work and in the community. And the Media Access
> >>>>>> >>> >>> Group
> >>>>>> >>> continues to develop new solutions to access challenges as >>>
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> >>>>>> >>> and
> >>>>>> >>> the way we all consume media, evolve. Members of the group's
> >>>>>> >>> >>>
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> >>>>>> >>> staff represent the leading experts in their fields and their
> >>>>>> >>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>> success >>> is
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> >>>>>> >>> and
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> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>> million
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> >>>>>> >>> >>> More
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> >>>>>> >>> at:
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