[nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
John Heim
john at johnheim.net
Sun Dec 5 17:42:27 UTC 2010
Wow, awesome message, David. I don't think that admitting that
somethings are harder for blind people than they are for sighted goes
against the NFB philosophy. It only means that you have to try
harder, get proper training, and occasionally get an accomodation.
Given those 3 things, a blind person can do almost anything a sighted
person can do.
Î
On Dec 4, 2010, at 4:43 PM, David Andrews wrote:
> I have already said no personal attacks. I am about to put this
> whole list on moderated status.
>
> I think Bryan is a Federationist -- but whether or not he is has
> nothing to do with any of this. Peter, you feel free to disagree
> with the NFB about what you feel is important, and Bryan should have
> the same freedom.
>
> I think that Bryan could say what he is saying in a more
> constructive, positive manner, but that doesn't mean that what he is
> saying is wrong.
>
> There is an 800 pound guerrilla in the room, and none of us likes to
> admit it -- but that won't make him go away. The guerrilla is that
> it does take us longer to do some things. I also understand that
> there are huge negative attitudes about blindness and blind people,
> and none of us likes or wants to open this door publicly, but it is
> still there. We need to be honest among ourselves, and not attack
> each other. We are all on the same side here.
>
> David Andrews, Moderator
>
> At 11:27 AM 12/4/2010, you wrote:
>> Hello Bryan and everyone,
>>
>> I thought you were a federationist.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 11:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>
>>
>> put up some $$ cuz they say bs walks!
>> i'm tired of people talking smack and telling other people they are
>> full of
>> sh$$ about various topics.
>> i have been going to professional nhra drag races for 20 years and
>> the teams
>> do rebuild an alcohol or nitro motor in about 30 minutes after each
>> run.
>>
>> Jay Blake owns the follow a dream alcohol funny car and he is
>> completely
>> capable of working on the motor but not at the same pace as sighted
>> mechanics on race day and has the sense to accept that instead of
>> being a
>> weak link.
>>
>> Bryan Schulz
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>
>>
>> > Got news for you bro. There's no way it takes just thirty minutes.
>> > You've heard of editing right?
>> >
>> >
>> > Sincerely,
>> > The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> >
>> > Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>> >
>> > Skype Name:
>> > barefootedray
>> >
>> > On Dec 3, 2010, at 10:29 PM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>> >
>> >> don't play the pity card bro!
>> >> i'm just telling people what happens in the real world outside
>> of the nfb
>> >> bubble.
>> >> did you understand it's the pace and not the ability?
>> >> the man's race team completely rebuilds a motor in 30 minutes.
>> >> i would love to see the blind man actually spinning the air gun
>> and
>> >> working on the motor on race day but he has realized that the
>> team has
>> >> more success when he stays out of the way and let his employees
>> perform
>> >> the rebuild.
>> >>
>> >> Bryan Schulz
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net
>> >
>> >> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:11 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> And what would you propose? Leaving things the way they are?
>> Don't you
>> >>> think there are any blind people actually involved in the
>> building of
>> >>> their own homes? Could it be that you don't think we do much of
>> >>> anything? Oh, of course. Sit in rocking chairs and listen to
>> our state
>> >>> provided reading radio service. Yeah, that's the life for sure.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Sincerely,
>> >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> >>>
>> >>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>> >>>
>> >>> Skype Name:
>> >>> barefootedray
>> >>>
>> >>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 8:09 PM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> wishful thinking...
>> >>>> people here have no clue what happens in the one week build.
>> >>>> a relative worked on one and there were all kind of
>> worksmanship f-ups
>> >>>> and people running everywhere.
>> >>>> you really think a blind guy is going to carry sheets of
>> drywall with
>> >>>> material and tools all over the site without falling?
>> >>>> you don't get the pace. just like there is a blind guy who
>> owns a
>> >>>> racing team but doesn't do the actual repair during race day
>> due to the
>> >>>> time limits.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Bryan Schulz
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Constance Canode"
>> >>>> <satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
>> >>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 7:43 PM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Ray, that is an absolutely awesome idea. Now if we can
>> implement it,
>> >>>>> people would certainly get a different perspective on what
>> blind
>> >>>>> people are really like.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Connie Canode
>> >>>>> At 11:43 AM 12/3/2010, you wrote:
>> >>>>>> YOu know Peter, I was just kind of thinking. I know of only
>> one way
>> >>>>>> to stop this. What we need to do is get some independent and
>> >>>>>> competent blind people on the make over crew. Once we do
>> that, maybe
>> >>>>>> they'll get the idea. Barring that, maybe we ought to have
>> some
>> >>>>>> competent blind people at least helping out on a make-over
>> project;
>> >>>>>> since I'm sure they wouldn't let us officially be part of
>> what I
>> >>>>>> presume bills itself as a professional make-over crew.
>> >>>>>> Thoughts?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Sincerely,
>> >>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Skype Name:
>> >>>>>> barefootedray
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Peter Donahue wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> > Hello John and everyone,
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > If you take the time to read the message I sent
>> concerning an
>> >>>>>> experience
>> >>>>>> > we had when looking for an apartment last spring you'd
>> understand
>> >>>>>> > why > > the
>> >>>>>> > red flags are flying. If Extreme Make-Over Home Edition
>> continues
>> >>>>>> to portray
>> >>>>>> > us as helpless unable to live on our own without major
>> >>>>>> modifications to the
>> >>>>>> > home environment or a presumed dependency on a million
>> gadgets > >
>> >>>>>> > incidents
>> >>>>>> > like the one I described in my message earlier this
>> morning will
>> >>>>>> continue to
>> >>>>>> > happen to blind people seeking housing. While we can't
>> prove that
>> >>>>>> > the
>> >>>>>> > manager at that apartment complex was influenced by an
>> episode of
>> >>>>>> this show
>> >>>>>> > where a blind person or a couple were featured if this TV
>> network
>> >>>>>> continues
>> >>>>>> > to cast us as unable to manage our own home they'll
>> certainly be
>> >>>>>> suspect in
>> >>>>>> > my book.
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > Peter Donahue
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>>>> > From: "John Heim" <john at johnheim.net>
>> >>>>>> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>>> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:40 AM
>> >>>>>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > Well, I'd presume because you don't make a lot of money as
>> a >
>> >>>>>> > disability
>> >>>>>> > advocate.
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>>>> > From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
>> >>>>>> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>>> > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 8:40 PM
>> >>>>>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> >> I feel the same way. First question that came to
>> find...If these
>> >>>>>> >> >> >> people
>> >>>>>> >> are
>> >>>>>> >> so fantastic and can motivate everyone to get past their >>
>> >>>>>> >> disabilities, >> and
>> >>>>>> >> they have learned so much in the four years they've been
>> blind,
>> >>>>>> >> why >> >> can't
>> >>>>>> >> they maintain their house so it isn't falling down around
>> them?
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> Cindy
>> >>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>>>> >> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>> >>>>>> >> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>>> >> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 9:16 PM
>> >>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> I hate to be this way, but, how come I'm already skepticle?
>> >>>>>> >> Anyone >> >> care
>> >>>>>> >> to
>> >>>>>> >> guess why?
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> Sincerely,
>> >>>>>> >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> Skype Name:
>> >>>>>> >> barefootedray
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> On Dec 2, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Ryan O wrote:
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
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