[nfb-talk] Dining in the dark
Lisa Kidder
lisakid at peoplepc.com
Sat Apr 23 23:04:13 UTC 2011
If you have been blind all of your life, it wouldn't be.
However, if someone has just lost their vission it would be as
first because they are not used to being blind Lisa
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From: "John Heim" <john at johnheim.net
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Date sent: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 17:24:25 -0500
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I really don't think eating without vision is that difficult,
Mike
It occurs to me that I've been around people dining without
vision for the
first time in their lives when I was at the guide dog school.
New
instructors have to do a few weeks of training while wearing a
mask. The
only time they are allowed to take it off is when they are in the
shower. I
guess they don't want the masks getting wet. Anyway, I never
noticed these
trainers having trouble eating and none of them ever said
anything about it
at meal times.
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 4:40 PM
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The eaters would be so preoccupied by trying to get the food
into their
mouthes and by how awkward they are that I doubt they'd notice
the blind
wait staff much. If they did, they'd attribute the skill to the
wait
staff's superior senses and miraculous abilities!
Mike
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of John Heim
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 2:19 PM
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But since the waiters are blind, wouldn't the diners learn that
people
can function without sight?
On Apr 22, 2011, at 9:06 PM, T. Joseph Carter wrote:
Mike is convinced that these events do not and cannot lead to a
greater appreciation of blindness. I've argued on another list
that
it can be done better, but Mike points out quite rightly that
can be
done better does not necessarily translate to people actually
doing
it in such a way that the sighties learn anything useful except
perhaps by sheer trial and error.
Joseph
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 07:56:34PM -0600, Jeanette Fortin wrote:
there are a few nfb chapters doing the dining in the dark thing
as
well you know?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Freeman"
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Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] observations about Foundation Fighting
Blindness
Oh my Lord! Is the RP Foundation fighting Blindness involved in
that Dining
in the Dark nonsense? I fear me greatly there's no hope for
them
then.
Mike Freeman
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Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 6:23 PM
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Blindness
All,
First, note the subject line change. I think the issue here is
what is
"fulfilling"? From the literature I have read from this
organization as
well as from discussions I have had with staff their idea of a
"fulfilling
life" does not contain the high expectations I or many of us
have.
It all
goes back to the philosophy of blindness one chooses to have.
If, for example, you think that it is amazing that a blind
person
can cut
their food and even find it, but think that because a blind
person
does eat
independently their life is in part fulfilling then your view of
the true
nature of blindness differs from mine. "Dining In The Dark" is
a
fundraising event the Foundation has sponsored in various parts
of
the
country. Putting a group of sighted people under blindfold,
then
serving
them food while making statements like "this is what blind
people
face every
day" cannot help improve the public's view of the abilities of
blind people.
Nevertheless this is the kind of thing the Foundation Fighting
Blindness
does constantly.
As, I think, Mike Freeman said, it is all in what you mean by
"fighting".
We in the NFB fight blindness every day. The blindness we fight
is
that of
people who let their eye sight get in the way of their vision
which
has
become blinded by prejudice and misinformation. (See Thunder
Dog
when it is
released).
The tragedy of blindness is not the loss of eye sight unless we
make it so.
Any "tragedy" is only as serious as we allow it to be. Those
who
lose their
sight can move forward and have as full and productive a life as
before if
they are willing to get the proper training. There is nothing
new
here but,
we need to keep saying it if we expect the world to come around
and
believe
that truth. It's marketing pure and simple.
Happy Easter.
Best,
Mike Hingson
The Michael Hingson Group, INC.
"Speaking with Vision"
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-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-
bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 2:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] FW: {Disarmed} FW: A personal report
fromChairmanGordon Gund
The choice of the word "fighting". It's not the they're against
the blind
leading fulfilled lives; they can't conceive of it.
Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone
On Apr 22, 2011, at 13:10, "John Heim" <john at johnheim.net>
wrote:
I'm sure the Foundation Fighting Blindness is very much in favor
of
blind
people living rich and fullfilling lives. What makes you think
they're not?
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Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] FW: {Disarmed} FW: A personal report
fromChairmanGordon Gund
Hello all!
I greatly dislike how this organization the foundation fighting
blindness
reinforces how terrible it is to be blind! Yes! It is no
picnic
at first
when one loses vision I'm certain but we in the NFB are here to
show there
is life after vision loss or there is life when one is blind!
We
have a
more positive message! Yes! I'm all for preserving one's
vision
but if
this isn't possible, I for one wish to see someone continue to
live
a full
and enriching life as much as possible! There are many who
can't
cope but
there are more who do and they live quite well! At least, they
have a life!
It is far better to be blind today than it was a hundred years
ago
but even
at that time, I'm certain some lived meaningful lives even then!
Jim
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanette Fortin"
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Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] FW: {Disarmed} FW: A personal report
from
ChairmanGordon Gund
well let me say this, why not fight blindness? if there is a way
some
people can regain their vision or if doctors can help folks to
save
the
vision they have, go for it.
i got a call today from my cousin who works with hazzardess
materials in
his job. he was hit in the face with some costic liquid last
week
and lost
his vision for a couple of days. Because he was rushed to a
special
hospital and given specific treatment for his eyes which were
damaged by the
costic liquid, the doctors are hopeful he will regain all or
most
of his
vision.
from some folks way of thinking it appears they think it would
be
just
fine for him to have lost his vision and subsequently his job.
it
gave him
a true appreciation of those of us who have dealt with vision
loss
for years
and has made him grateful for whatever vision he has.
i think maybe the name of the organization, fighting blindness
may
offend some folks, but if you understand how someone who had
vision
and
loses it feels maybe you would understand why the foundation is
trying to
find ways to help folks either regain or not lose their vision,
jeanette
----- Original Message ----- From: "S Baker"
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Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 3:31 PM
Subject: [nfb-talk] FW: {Disarmed} FW: A personal report from
Chairman
Gordon Gund
SRBaker
From: srbaker12 at hotmail.com
To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: RE: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} FW: A personal report from
Chairman
Gordon Gund
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 21:29:26 +0000
This email solicits donations. It also has links to current
research to
correct blindness.There is nothing wrong with being blind, if
that
is what
you want. If there is technology that can reverse,cure me, I am
all
for it.
There is an old saying "There are none so blind as those who
will
not see".
Our eyes may not work but our brains do.
Steve
SRBaker
From: ladygloria at webband.com
To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 14:19:37 -0700
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} FW: A personal report from
Chairman
Gordon Gund
What in the heck is wrong with being blind!
Gloria Whipple
Corresponding Secretary
Inland Empire chapter
nfb of WA
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On
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Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 14:14
To: AMoLList
Subject: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} FW: A personal report from
Chairman
Gordon
Gund
SRBaker
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 16:00:24 -0500
From: GGund at FightBlindness.org
To: srbaker at charter.net
Subject: A personal report from Chairman Gordon Gund
Like you, Steven, I follow the work of the Foundation Fighting
Blindness
closely. As a donor, I want to know that my donations make a
difference.
And believe me, they do. When I reflect on the last year and
listen to
this
video, I am reminded that we have more clinical trials for
sight-saving
treatments underway than ever before. Clearly, hope and
optimism
are running high. Incredible strides have been made in the last
few years,
and
these remarkable advances would not have been made without your
support of
the Foundation. They include:
Vision Restored. We are continuing to build on remarkable
gains in
gene
therapy. As you may recall, in a Foundation-funded trial,
9-year-old
Corey
Haas and 19 others received a gene therapy treatment and can
now see.
And
as the trial has expanded, participants have shown sustained
improvement in
vision. Building on this success, similar gene therapy
treatments
are moving into clinical trials for choroideremia, Stargardt
disease and
Usher
syndrome.
Innovative Technology. The high-tech industry has a treatment
I'm
incredibly excited about-- the world's first commercially
available artificial or "bionic" eye. Early funding from the
Foundation was key
to
getting this engineered retina off the ground. Building on the
studies
we
funded, the light-sensing, implantable "chip" has been tested
in a
clinical
trial in Europe with great results. In the study, people who
were
profoundly
blind experienced improved vision that could help them to be
more
independent. In fact, many can now see shapes and recognize
large
letters.
Groundbreaking Therapies. A research team funded by the
Foundation
Fighting
Blindness developed an innovative technique for correcting the
disease-causing gene by using stem cells derived from a
person's skin.
While
more work is needed to ensure safety, this advancement suggests
that
doctors
may someday be able to treat a patient's retinal disease using
their
own
skin cells.
These few accomplishments barely begin to tell the story of all
the
progress
that's being made. And this is why words can never express my
personal gratitude for your passionate and committed support.
I hope you will take a few minutes to watch the video and see
the
results of
your support and the hope it has generated. But most
importantly,
I
hope you
will see that research is progressing at a terrific rate. It's
been a
long
time coming, but we crossed a critical threshold when our
researchers actually restored sight. It launched us into a new
era
when more and
more
people will have their sight saved or restored every year. A
lot
of
work
remains. But we'll get there by continuing to work together.
The Foundation Fighting Blindness values the support you give us
by donating, talking to your friends, and advocating for
increased
research
funding. As we continue our relentless pursuit to eradicate
blindness,
we
hope you will continue your steadfast support of our mission.
Thanks
for
envisioning a bright future for the millions affected by retinal
degenerative diseases.
Sincerely,
Gordon Gund
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