[nfb-talk] Dining in the dark
Ray Foret Jr
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Sun Apr 24 04:34:33 UTC 2011
Besides, they once showed a blind waitress on TV. She had the skill and proficiency of a well oiled machine and functioned with all the professionalism one would expect.
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On Apr 23, 2011, at 4:40 PM, Mike Freeman wrote:
> The eaters would be so preoccupied by trying to get the food into their
> mouthes and by how awkward they are that I doubt they'd notice the blind
> wait staff much. If they did, they'd attribute the skill to the wait
> staff's superior senses and miraculous abilities!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of John Heim
> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 2:19 PM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Dining in the dark
>
> But since the waiters are blind, wouldn't the diners learn that people
> can function without sight?
>
> On Apr 22, 2011, at 9:06 PM, T. Joseph Carter wrote:
>
>> Mike is convinced that these events do not and cannot lead to a
>> greater appreciation of blindness. I've argued on another list that
>> it can be done better, but Mike points out quite rightly that can be
>> done better does not necessarily translate to people actually doing
>> it in such a way that the sighties learn anything useful except
>> perhaps by sheer trial and error.
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 07:56:34PM -0600, Jeanette Fortin wrote:
>>> there are a few nfb chapters doing the dining in the dark thing as
>>> well you know?
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: <info at michaelhingson.com>; "'NFB Talk Mailing List'"
> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 7:45 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] observations about Foundation Fighting
>>> Blindness
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh my Lord! Is the RP Foundation fighting Blindness involved in
>>> that Dining
>>> in the Dark nonsense? I fear me greatly there's no hope for them
>>> then.
>>>
>>> Mike Freeman
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-
>>> bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Michael Hingson
>>> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 6:23 PM
>>> To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] observations about Foundation Fighting Blindness
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> First, note the subject line change. I think the issue here is
>>> what is
>>> "fulfilling"? From the literature I have read from this
>>> organization as
>>> well as from discussions I have had with staff their idea of a
>>> "fulfilling
>>> life" does not contain the high expectations I or many of us have.
>>> It all
>>> goes back to the philosophy of blindness one chooses to have.
>>>
>>> If, for example, you think that it is amazing that a blind person
>>> can cut
>>> their food and even find it, but think that because a blind person
>>> does eat
>>> independently their life is in part fulfilling then your view of
>>> the true
>>> nature of blindness differs from mine. "Dining In The Dark" is a
>>> fundraising event the Foundation has sponsored in various parts of
>>> the
>>> country. Putting a group of sighted people under blindfold, then
>>> serving
>>> them food while making statements like "this is what blind people
>>> face every
>>> day" cannot help improve the public's view of the abilities of
>>> blind people.
>>> Nevertheless this is the kind of thing the Foundation Fighting
>>> Blindness
>>> does constantly.
>>>
>>> As, I think, Mike Freeman said, it is all in what you mean by
>>> "fighting".
>>> We in the NFB fight blindness every day. The blindness we fight is
>>> that of
>>> people who let their eye sight get in the way of their vision which
>>> has
>>> become blinded by prejudice and misinformation. (See Thunder Dog
>>> when it is
>>> released).
>>>
>>> The tragedy of blindness is not the loss of eye sight unless we
>>> make it so.
>>> Any "tragedy" is only as serious as we allow it to be. Those who
>>> lose their
>>> sight can move forward and have as full and productive a life as
>>> before if
>>> they are willing to get the proper training. There is nothing new
>>> here but,
>>> we need to keep saying it if we expect the world to come around and
>>> believe
>>> that truth. It's marketing pure and simple.
>>>
>>> Happy Easter.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike Hingson
>>>
>>> The Michael Hingson Group, INC.
>>> "Speaking with Vision"
>>> Michael Hingson, President
>>> (415) 827-4084
>>> info at michaelhingson.com
>>> To learn more about my upcoming book, speaking topics and speaking
>>> availability please visit www.michaelhingson.com Thunder Dog is now
>>> available for early ordering on Amazon!!!
>>>
> http://www.amazon.com/Thunder-Dog-Blind-Triumph-Ground/dp/140020304X/ref=sr_
>>> 1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1289090352&sr=1-3
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-
>>> bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 2:01 PM
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] FW: {Disarmed} FW: A personal report
>>> fromChairmanGordon Gund
>>>
>>> The choice of the word "fighting". It's not the they're against
>>> the blind
>>> leading fulfilled lives; they can't conceive of it.
>>>
>>> Mike Freeman
>>> sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 22, 2011, at 13:10, "John Heim" <john at johnheim.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm sure the Foundation Fighting Blindness is very much in favor of
>>>> blind
>>> people living rich and fullfilling lives. What makes you think
>>> they're not?
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Aldrich"
>>>> <jajkaldrich at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Jeanette Fortin" <jeanette at fortin-home.com>; "NFB Talk
>>>> Mailing List"
>>> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 11:20 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] FW: {Disarmed} FW: A personal report
>>> fromChairmanGordon Gund
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello all!
>>>>>
>>>>> I greatly dislike how this organization the foundation fighting
>>>>> blindness
>>> reinforces how terrible it is to be blind! Yes! It is no picnic
>>> at first
>>> when one loses vision I'm certain but we in the NFB are here to
>>> show there
>>> is life after vision loss or there is life when one is blind! We
>>> have a
>>> more positive message! Yes! I'm all for preserving one's vision
>>> but if
>>> this isn't possible, I for one wish to see someone continue to live
>>> a full
>>> and enriching life as much as possible! There are many who can't
>>> cope but
>>> there are more who do and they live quite well! At least, they
>>> have a life!
>>> It is far better to be blind today than it was a hundred years ago
>>> but even
>>> at that time, I'm certain some lived meaningful lives even then!
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanette Fortin"
>>> <jeanette at fortin-home.com>
>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 4:03 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] FW: {Disarmed} FW: A personal report from
>>> ChairmanGordon Gund
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> well let me say this, why not fight blindness? if there is a way
>>>>>> some
>>> people can regain their vision or if doctors can help folks to save
>>> the
>>> vision they have, go for it.
>>>>>> i got a call today from my cousin who works with hazzardess
>>>>>> materials in
>>> his job. he was hit in the face with some costic liquid last week
>>> and lost
>>> his vision for a couple of days. Because he was rushed to a special
>>> hospital and given specific treatment for his eyes which were
>>> damaged by the
>>> costic liquid, the doctors are hopeful he will regain all or most
>>> of his
>>> vision.
>>>>>> from some folks way of thinking it appears they think it would be
>>>>>> just
>>> fine for him to have lost his vision and subsequently his job. it
>>> gave him
>>> a true appreciation of those of us who have dealt with vision loss
>>> for years
>>> and has made him grateful for whatever vision he has.
>>>>>> i think maybe the name of the organization, fighting blindness may
>>> offend some folks, but if you understand how someone who had vision
>>> and
>>> loses it feels maybe you would understand why the foundation is
>>> trying to
>>> find ways to help folks either regain or not lose their vision,
>>> jeanette
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "S Baker" <srbaker12 at hotmail.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> To: "ANFBchat" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 3:31 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] FW: {Disarmed} FW: A personal report from
>>>>>> Chairman
>>> Gordon Gund
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> SRBaker
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: srbaker12 at hotmail.com
>>>>>>> To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} FW: A personal report from
>>>>>>> Chairman
>>> Gordon Gund
>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 21:29:26 +0000
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This email solicits donations. It also has links to current
>>>>>>> research to
>>> correct blindness.There is nothing wrong with being blind, if that
>>> is what
>>> you want. If there is technology that can reverse,cure me, I am all
>>> for it.
>>> There is an old saying "There are none so blind as those who will
>>> not see".
>>> Our eyes may not work but our brains do.
>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> SRBaker
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: ladygloria at webband.com
>>>>>>>> To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 14:19:37 -0700
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} FW: A personal report from
>>>>>>>> Chairman
>>> Gordon Gund
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What in the heck is wrong with being blind!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gloria Whipple
>>>>>>>> Corresponding Secretary
>>>>>>>> Inland Empire chapter
>>>>>>>> nfb of WA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of S Baker
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 14:14
>>>>>>>> To: AMoLList
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} FW: A personal report from
>>>>>>>> Chairman
>>> Gordon
>>>>>>>> Gund
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> SRBaker
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 16:00:24 -0500
>>>>>>>> From: GGund at FightBlindness.org
>>>>>>>> To: srbaker at charter.net
>>>>>>>> Subject: A personal report from Chairman Gordon Gund
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Like you, Steven, I follow the work of the Foundation Fighting
>>> Blindness
>>>>>>>> closely. As a donor, I want to know that my donations make a
>>> difference.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And believe me, they do. When I reflect on the last year and
>>>>>>>> listen to
>>> this
>>>>>>>> video, I am reminded that we have more clinical trials for
>>> sight-saving
>>>>>>>> treatments underway than ever before. Clearly, hope and optimism
>>>>>>>> are running high. Incredible strides have been made in the last
>>>>>>>> few years,
>>> and
>>>>>>>> these remarkable advances would not have been made without your
>>> support of
>>>>>>>> the Foundation. They include:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vision Restored. We are continuing to build on remarkable
>>>>>>>> gains in
>>> gene
>>>>>>>> therapy. As you may recall, in a Foundation-funded trial,
>>>>>>>> 9-year-old
>>> Corey
>>>>>>>> Haas and 19 others received a gene therapy treatment and can
>>>>>>>> now see.
>>> And
>>>>>>>> as the trial has expanded, participants have shown sustained
>>> improvement in
>>>>>>>> vision. Building on this success, similar gene therapy
>>>>>>>> treatments
>>>>>>>> are moving into clinical trials for choroideremia, Stargardt
>>>>>>>> disease and
>>> Usher
>>>>>>>> syndrome.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Innovative Technology. The high-tech industry has a treatment
>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>> incredibly excited about-- the world's first commercially
>>>>>>>> available artificial or "bionic" eye. Early funding from the
>>>>>>>> Foundation was key
>>> to
>>>>>>>> getting this engineered retina off the ground. Building on the
>>>>>>>> studies
>>> we
>>>>>>>> funded, the light-sensing, implantable "chip" has been tested
>>>>>>>> in a
>>> clinical
>>>>>>>> trial in Europe with great results. In the study, people who
>>>>>>>> were
>>> profoundly
>>>>>>>> blind experienced improved vision that could help them to be
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> independent. In fact, many can now see shapes and recognize
>>>>>>>> large
>>> letters.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Groundbreaking Therapies. A research team funded by the
>>>>>>>> Foundation
>>> Fighting
>>>>>>>> Blindness developed an innovative technique for correcting the
>>>>>>>> disease-causing gene by using stem cells derived from a
>>>>>>>> person's skin.
>>> While
>>>>>>>> more work is needed to ensure safety, this advancement suggests
>>>>>>>> that
>>> doctors
>>>>>>>> may someday be able to treat a patient's retinal disease using
>>>>>>>> their
>>> own
>>>>>>>> skin cells.
>>>>>>>> These few accomplishments barely begin to tell the story of all
>>>>>>>> the
>>> progress
>>>>>>>> that's being made. And this is why words can never express my
>>>>>>>> personal gratitude for your passionate and committed support.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I hope you will take a few minutes to watch the video and see
>>>>>>>> the
>>> results of
>>>>>>>> your support and the hope it has generated. But most
>>>>>>>> importantly,
>>>>>>>> I
>>> hope you
>>>>>>>> will see that research is progressing at a terrific rate. It's
>>>>>>>> been a
>>> long
>>>>>>>> time coming, but we crossed a critical threshold when our
>>>>>>>> researchers actually restored sight. It launched us into a new
>>>>>>>> era
>>>>>>>> when more and
>>> more
>>>>>>>> people will have their sight saved or restored every year. A lot
>>>>>>>> of
>>> work
>>>>>>>> remains. But we'll get there by continuing to work together.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Foundation Fighting Blindness values the support you give us
>>>>>>>> by donating, talking to your friends, and advocating for
>>>>>>>> increased
>>> research
>>>>>>>> funding. As we continue our relentless pursuit to eradicate
>>>>>>>> blindness,
>>> we
>>>>>>>> hope you will continue your steadfast support of our mission.
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>> for
>>>>>>>> envisioning a bright future for the millions affected by retinal
>>>>>>>> degenerative diseases.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gordon Gund
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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