[nfb-talk] Convention

John Heim john at johnheim.net
Tue Aug 2 21:13:13 UTC 2011 

Well, I presume you're asking how I know that those who attend the 
conventions are the best of the best. And I'll admit its just speculation. 
But it just stands to reason. Of course, it wouldn't be a perfect 
correllation either.  But I'm sure the majority of people at the NFB 
conventions are those who have it together (for lack of a better term).

I once got into a debate with someone from the ACB who questioned the 70% 
unemployment figure for blind people. He had done  a survey of ACB members 
and found that the unemployment rate was more like 30 - 40%. But I pointed 
out that ACB members probably aren't average blind people. 30 - 40% of ACB 
members might be unemployed but that doesn't mean that 30 - 40% of all blind 
people are unemployed.

NFB members probably aren't average either, especially those who attend 
conventions. So you probably couldn't get an accurate glimpse into the lives 
of the average blind person even if you expanded the voting to those not 
attending the convention. But it would help, IMO.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gloria Whipple" <ladygloria at webband.com>
To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention


> Have you ever been to a nfb convention? If not, how do you know?
>
> I am not trying to start anything, I am just serious?
>
> I do wish those who cannot attend the conventions could vote. After all,
> they are members.
>
> Thank you John and have a nice day!
>
>
> Gloria Whipple
> Corresponding Secretary
> Inland Empire chapter
> nfb of WA
>
> Cell: 509-475-4993
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of John Heim
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 06:59
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>
> My opinion is that it would help the organization quite a bit to allow
> people who don't attend the convention to vote. The people who attend the
> conventions are the best of the best. The result is that the NFB doesn't 
> do
> a great job of representing those who are struggling a little bit more 
> with
> their disability.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 1:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>
>
>> Loren, these are very valid points. While I continue to support the
>> principles of NFB I have become frustrated by many of the practices of 
>> the
>
>> organization as they are antiquated and portray an approach that 
>> indicates
>
>> a "one size fits all" mentality. There needs to be greater flexibility in
>> many areas. There have been many successes such as the implementation of
>> NFB newsline and court victories such as the Target law suit although it
>> would have been nice had it been a broader one, just to name a couple.
>> Chuck
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Loren Wakefield" <isaiah5719 at mchsi.com>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 8:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>>
>>
>>> One sign that an organization of any kind is dying is when it takes the
>>> attitude, "we've never done it that way before".  Times are changing. 
>>> An
>
>>> organization or business cannot afford to chase people the same way they
>>> did 20 30 years ago.  This in no way means they must change the corp
>>> beliefs of the organization.  But just because it wasn't done that way 
>>> in
>
>>> the past, is not a reason to do it now.  If that was the ccase, the 
>>> blind
>
>>> would not have made any advances at all.  We changed the paradigm out
>>> there, and fortunately, it is still changing.  Streaming is not just for
>>> those who will not go to convention or can't go, it is a way to get the
>>> message out to the general public.  If we take the attitude that if you
>>> cant beg borrow or steal your way to convention, then you cant hear or
>>> share what happened or was said, then why publish a summary in the
>>> monitor?
>>>
>>> Like it or not, society is changing.  Who really cares if we change what
>>> it means to be blind, and the blind are still two centuries behind the
>>> rest of the world?
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 5:37 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello Lauren and everyone,
>>>>
>>>>    With that kind of outlook it's true. We've fought the dragons of 
>>>> hell
>
>>>> to
>>>> make it to convention and succeeded many times. We feel we've set a
>>>> great
>>>> example for others to follow.
>>>>
>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Loren Wakefield" <isaiah5719 at mchsi.com>
>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 4:29 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The thing to do is get the stream working or not do it at all.  It
>>>> sounds
>>>> like we are getting it down.  Things will work better next time.
>>>> Streaming
>>>> probably will benefit more than those who are already members as well.
>>>> And
>>>> as much as we may wish to do so, it is impossible for all who want to
>>>> attend
>>>> to do so.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 10:35 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello again everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>>    The ultimate solution is to quit complaining about the stream and
>>>>> start
>>>>> now to plan to be with us in Dallas next year and at future Orlando
>>>>> conventions. From what I hear there will be a lot of them.  Get busy
>>>>> now,
>>>>> wrestle up the bucks now and we'll see you in Dallas and beyond.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 2:30 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim,
>>>>> What do you mean? Are you saying the banquet wasn't available live due
>>>>> to
>>>>> technical issues?
>>>>> I agree the convention is important to stream, but due to work and
>>>>> family
>>>>> events, I only got to hear it a few times.
>>>>> I heard it more live last year and it was very clear.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>>>> From: James Aldrich
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 1:48 PM
>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>>
>>>>> The banquet wasn't available to me but I probably got in much too 
>>>>> late!
>
>>>>> I
>>>>> think we need to show our leaders how important this streaming is to 
>>>>> us
>>>>> and
>>>>> we need to keep it out front!  It is truly important and it does 
>>>>> indeed
>>>>> get
>>>>> our message out!  I too enjoyed what I heard from the stream!
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Jim" <jp100 at earthlink.net>
>>>>> To: "Jim" <jp100 at earthlink.net>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 2:15 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Convention
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It sounds like it was a wonderful convention.  Once the streams got 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> working right, I was able to hear and see what all was going on. 
>>>>>> Very
>>>>>> informative.  The banquet was also great last night.  A few times, 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> stream went out, but again, that was temporary.  I was able to get
>>>>>> most
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the speech.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, for all who went, I hope you had a great time and I'm glad
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> those of us who couldn't go could at least take part in the listening
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> sessions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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