[nfb-talk] [Bulk] Re: Convention

Fri Aug 5 07:25:06 UTC 2011

Sometimes it’s just lack of expectations.  If you’ve never had to do 
it or been expected to do it, you may not have learned techniques for 
how it’s done.  I admit that I had trouble with the concept the first 
day at the Colorado Center for the Blind under sleepshade.  Someone 
offered me a couple of tips and I picked up the skill pretty quickly 
thereafter.

But then I already knew how to do it, essentially, I just had to 
learn a different method.

Joseph - kf7qzc

On Thu, Aug 04, 2011 at 02:55:46PM -0400, Wm. Ritchhart wrote:
>Sometimes it's just lazy.  Whenever I encountered sighted people having
>their meat cut, it was a man receiving the service and his female companion
>did any task he deemed to be beneath a man.  Rather antiquated if you think
>about it.
>
>Thanks, William
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Loren Wakefield
>Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 2:18 PM
>To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>Subject: [Bulk] Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>
>Yes, there may be another disability involved.  And it also may be that the
>person is older.  Whatever the reason, it happens.
>
>Anyway, we need to meet people where they are.  And let them decide how to
>handle things.  We can show them ways to handle various situations.  And
>maybe a good discussion would be exactly what is independence anyway?
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 10:45 AM
>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
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>
>> We need to be understanding that blind people and our members in
>> particularly come to conventions with many different backgrounds and
>> levels of skills so
>> I agree with your point.  Our role should be to help people achieve
>> independence, not to require that independence be already achieved before
>> attending a
>> convention.  I do question your statement that sighted people don't cut
>> their own meat, though.  I've ever seen a sighted person not cut their own
>
>> meat
>> unless there was another disability involved.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>> On Thu, 4 Aug 2011 10:00:03 -0500, Loren Wakefield wrote:
>>
>>>I'm not surprised at all but finding those who do not cut their own meat
>>>at
>>>nfb conventions.  Many sighted do not cut their own these days. And
>>>cutting
>>>your own meat does nothing to prove you are independent.  We all have
>>>differing abilities.  And as long as we are calling the shots, then who is
>>>to say who is independent and who is not?
>>
>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:50 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>>
>>
>>>> Dave,
>>>> Great points from personal experience! But given the philosophy of
>>>> independence, I'm kind of surprised you've seen individuals who need
>>>> help
>>>> cutting meat.  I would think those people would be embarrassed to be at
>>>> a
>>>> NFB convention with many independent blind people. I've certainly seen
>>>> many different types of people with a wide range of interests at
>>>> conventions. I have been to mainly state ones but one part of a national
>>>> one.  Yes there is certainly diversity.
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: David Andrews
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:41 PM
>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>>>>
>>>> John:
>>>>
>>>> I have been to quite a number of NFb conventions, and I will say that
>>>> I have observed a wide range of persons and abilities.  I have seen
>>>> some great travelers, and I have seen people who bring a sighted
>>>> parent or friend because they don't travel alone.  I have seen people
>>>> who went through buffet lines with little or no assistance, and I
>>>> have had dinner with people who requested that the waiter or waitress
>>>> cut their meat.  I suspect that the range of people and abilities is
>>>> much greater than you think.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> At 04:13 PM 8/2/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>Well, I presume you're asking how I know that those who attend the
>>>>>conventions are the best of the best. And I'll admit its just
>>>>>speculation.
>>>>>But it just stands to reason. Of course, it wouldn't be a perfect
>>>>>correllation either.  But I'm sure the majority of people at the NFB
>>>>>conventions are those who have it together (for lack of a better term).
>>>>>
>>>>>I once got into a debate with someone from the ACB who questioned the
>>>>>70%
>>>>>unemployment figure for blind people. He had done  a survey of ACB
>>>>>members
>>>>>and found that the unemployment rate was more like 30 - 40%. But I
>>>>>pointed
>>>>>out that ACB members probably aren't average blind people. 30 - 40% of
>>>>>ACB
>>>>>members might be unemployed but that doesn't mean that 30 - 40% of all
>>>>>blind people are unemployed.
>>>>>
>>>>>NFB members probably aren't average either, especially those who attend
>>>>>conventions. So you probably couldn't get an accurate glimpse into the
>>>>>lives of the average blind person even if you expanded the voting to
>>>>>those
>>>>>not attending the convention. But it would help, IMO.
>>>>
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