[nfb-talk] captchas: was: Re: Making Our Homes Comfortable and Accessible to Blind Folks

Sun Dec 18 17:55:48 UTC 2011

As he is a friend of mine, I'll pass this information on to him.
Blessings, Joshua

On 12/18/11, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
> While understand that, not labeling the feilds should not at all be
> overlooked.  Just suppose a visitor to the sight did not know what you just
> told us?  This oversight does need to be dealt with.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
>
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>
>
>
> On Dec 18, 2011, at 7:27 AM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>
>> It's ordered like others.
>> Name, E-mail, and message.
>> They aren't labeled, like you said, but that's what he wants.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 12/18/11, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
>>> Wel, took a look at the contact form.  The text feilds are not labeled,
>>> so,
>>> I cannot tell what he wants entered in to them.  I like the math problem
>>> though.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>
>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>>
>>> Skype name:
>>> barefootedray
>>>
>>> Facebook:
>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 18, 2011, at 6:42 AM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>>
>>>> Right.
>>>> That math problem is one such idea, as I mentioned.
>>>> I'll let you visit the Website, and have you check out the contact form.
>>>> http://www.aawalker.org
>>>> He ought to get an anual award from the NFB, for most accessible
>>>> Website!
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 12/18/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>> Good morning everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>>   There are also utilities for particular Web environments which can be
>>>>> installed that eliminate the need for captchas all together. Keep in
>>>>> mind
>>>>> that audio captchas won't work for deaf-blind persons shutting them out
>>>>> of
>>>>> many Web-based applications and denying them access to particular site
>>>>> content.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:10 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] captchas: was: Re: Making Our Homes Comfortable
>>>>> and
>>>>> Accessible to Blind Folks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ray, one of my preacher friends has an accessible contact form.
>>>>> He has a semple math problem for you to answer, to prove that you
>>>>> aren't a spammer.
>>>>> It's a very good alternative to the captchas.
>>>>> I've dealt with these issues on all of the lists.
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/18/11, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Hate to tel you, but; so far as I am aware, Solona no longer works
>>>>>> because
>>>>>> the one person who was doing the captcha translations became ill and
>>>>>> basically, shut down the service sort of quietly.  Seems he couldn't
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> other human beings to help with the captcha translations.  I guess you
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> say he sort of just droped it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So far as I am aware, Webvisum is the only way for a bind person to
>>>>>> translate captchas, and, it must be used with Firefox under Windows;
>>>>>> thus,
>>>>>> leaving Mac users to rely either on what ever alternative audio
>>>>>> solution
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> given web site provides or nothing at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Skype name:
>>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Facebook:
>>>>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 18, 2011, at 5:56 AM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Ashley.
>>>>>>> I was offended at the language, as well.
>>>>>>> I understand where he's coming from though.
>>>>>>> I'm not against sighted people, but their ignorance of what we go
>>>>>>> through.
>>>>>>> Ryan, as for the captchas, a friend of mine, on the NABS list told me
>>>>>>> about an online service, that you could use, to read your captchas.
>>>>>>> It's free, BTW.
>>>>>>> www.solona.net
>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/17/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Dave,
>>>>>>>> Thanks. I was kind of offended by his message due to the langue and
>>>>>>>> sarcastic attitude toward sighted people. We all have sighted
>>>>>>>> friends
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> family.
>>>>>>>> Unless you live alone or with a blind spouse, you probably have
>>>>>>>> sighted
>>>>>>>> family members. Get over it; it’s a sighted, visual world and adapt
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>> I'll post my ideas for a visual pleasing home soon. I have some
>>>>>>>> vision
>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> see the importance of visual stuff.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: David Andrews
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 11:21 PM
>>>>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Making Our Homes Comfortable and Accessible
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> Blind
>>>>>>>> Folks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ryan:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have warned you previously about posting profane and inappropriate
>>>>>>>> messages.  It doesn't seem to matter though, as you keep doing
>>>>>>>> it.  Thus, I am placing you on moderated status.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We all understand that it is frustrating being blind, and things
>>>>>>>> aren't always easy.    This is in part why we have this
>>>>>>>> list.  However, your message isn't constructive and while it may
>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>> you feel better, I doubt it helped anyone else.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David Andrews, Moderator
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At 04:07 PM 12/17/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Jimbo:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Next time your friends come over and bitch about the lack of light,
>>>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>>> something like this:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "You know what," (insert name) "...You know what? Every freakin'
>>>>>>>>> day,
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>> up and move around in a sighted world. I work on a finite schedule
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> aid of public transit because I can't drive. If the bus or train is
>>>>>>>>> late...so am I. If inclement weather strikes, I don't get in my car
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> turn
>>>>>>>>> on the windshield wipers. I freeze my nuts off in the rain or snow
>>>>>>>>> until
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> can get on a bus. When I go shopping, I pray to God that I can land
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> shopper's assistant who is, at the very least, literate. If they
>>>>>>>>> speak
>>>>>>>>> English, it makes my day. If they speak English fluently...Jesus,
>>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>> known to weep with joy. If I shop on line, I'll be lucky if capcha,
>>>>>>>>> internet
>>>>>>>>> graphics and flash don't give me a migraine that could floor Robin
>>>>>>>>> Williams
>>>>>>>>> on a coke binge!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sorry if I seem a little grumpy. I just came from a job for which
>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>> vastly
>>>>>>>>> over-qualified. I have a freakin' master's degree in mathematics,
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> genetics, or whatever, but every institution/company at which I
>>>>>>>>> apply
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>>> by sighted pricks who have figured out a way not to hire me. God
>>>>>>>>> bless
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> ADA and the well-intentioned, ignorant bastards who sleep better at
>>>>>>>>> night
>>>>>>>>> for having passed it. And God bless social security, who is still
>>>>>>>>> haunting
>>>>>>>>> my ass four years later because I forgot to report the income I
>>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>> a cash register so that I could put bread on the table in between
>>>>>>>>> college
>>>>>>>>> semesters.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It makes a guy wonder if Walter White didn't have a point. Screw
>>>>>>>>> it!
>>>>>>>>> Can
>>>>>>>>> blind people be meth cookers? You ever see Breaking Bad? You
>>>>>>>>> know...it's
>>>>>>>>> that super good crime show on AMC that doesn't air with description
>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>> Hollywood is too God damn cheap to give us description with all of
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> content, even though they can well afford to do so with minimal
>>>>>>>>> effort.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You want friggin' light bulbs? Drive to the store and grab a few
>>>>>>>>> boxes.
>>>>>>>>> I'd
>>>>>>>>> take you myself, but I haven't won the Power Ball yet and can't
>>>>>>>>> afford
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> self-driving car. But let me give you directions. Siri! Work!
>>>>>>>>> C'mon,
>>>>>>>>> damn
>>>>>>>>> it! What's the nearest Wal-Mart? Flashlight? Who are you kidding?
>>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>>> friggin' flashlight? Just use my cigar lighter to light your way to
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> door. Pick me up a new can of butane on the way back. Yes, I smoke
>>>>>>>>> cigars.
>>>>>>>>> No, I'm not amazing. Dealing with your ignorant ass makes me wanna
>>>>>>>>> smoke
>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>> right now. No, I don't need help lighting it. Get your damn hands
>>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>> before Mr. Fist meets Mr. Sack!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's your world and you're the king. Every day, I get up and I
>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>> live. I thrive, brother. Grow the hell up!"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then, out loud you can say:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Umm, sure thing, man. Sorry for my insensitivity to your
>>>>>>>>> situation.
>>>>>>>>> Can
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> drive me to the nearest Safeway to grab a few bulbs? And hey...can
>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>> swing
>>>>>>>>> through for a Big Mac on the way home?"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now, Jimbo, I've been assuming that the people in question are men.
>>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> are women, just say:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Lights? Honey, for what we're gonna be doin', we don't need no
>>>>>>>>> freakin'
>>>>>>>>> lights."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sexist and boorish, but oh so true.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> RyanO
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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