[nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
d m gina
dmgina at samobile.net
Tue Jul 5 22:45:16 UTC 2011
Wow I didn't realize 5,000 persons went to convention.
My goodness, that I must say is a crowd.
I so will always wish that they could come to Denver, I know they have
been there before.
Several years for that matter.
What caused the group to become larger?
Original message:
> You have to remember that the prime considerations in choosing a
> location/hotel are rates and size. If the rates are to high, people
> can't/won't come. And ... we need a large convention-style hotel
> that can hold from 3000 to 4000 persons. I am sure Colorado Springs
> doesn't have that, and Denver may not.
> Dave
> At 04:47 PM 7/5/2011, you wrote:
>> I would love to see the convention come west again, either to
>> Colorado Denver or Colorado Springs.
>> Closer to my home Montana.
>> I understand why they wish not to come to Montana, but to Colorado
>> because hotel rates are to high, I don't know about that one.
>> Original message:
>>> Brian,
>>> I would agree. When I asked Marc why they did not change the date of
>>> Convention giving reasons similar to yours, and also pointing out that
>>> cheaper hotel rates could probably be gotten at other times. The answer was
>>> given that the July Conventions are what the membership want.
>>> Now the one time I actually observed a vote on changing the date and
>>> location of Convention than the ones we constantly go to took place, I
>>> believed that the majority as a hole voted to change date and location to
>>> include other cities and get cheaper rates. It sounded quite clear to me
>>> the membership wanted more varied locations and times. However, Marc said
>>> that the motion to expand locations and times failed. The State by State
>>> vote was then called for. Naturally the result of the votes of the 50 State
>>> Presidents was to leave the Convention date as it is currently.
>>> Not really a majority decision. But a decision made using the rules of the
>>> body as agreed upon. I haven't been back to a Convention since. Nor do I
>>> plan to, as long as they are in the middle of summer; when I'd prefer to be
>>> on the beach. I guess you can call that, "William being a sore loser." I
>>> call it using my personal time as I see fit. Should they try having it in
>>> Orlando in January, I think I might try to attend the Convention. I'd much
>>> rather be in central Florida In January then now.
>>> Thanks, William
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 4:49 PM
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>>> you say the leaders want everyone to attend in person?
>>> the leaders refuse to budge about adjusting the dates so they don't land on
>>> 4th of july weekend.
>>> i had much more fun camping with friends than i would ever had sitting in a
>>> chair listening to a person speaking all day and friends that want to be
>>> with me instead of trying to find someone to eat/do things with after the
>>> sessions.
>>> Bryan Schulz
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Wm. Ritchhart" <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 1:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>>>> The fact that the Convention is streamed to any degree is huge progress.
>>>> Marc made it clear to me years ago that were he to have his way, none of
>>>> it
>>>> would be streamed. The leadership wanted all to attend in person. Not
>>>> via
>>>> internet. The fact that for the past few years the Conventions are being
>>>> streamed in part or full is huge progress and a huge change from what Marc
>>>> stated to me long ago.
>>>> I am hoping to catch a little of it. So I hope they get the kinks worked
>>>> out soon.
>>>> Thanks, William
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of James Aldrich
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 1:03 PM
>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>>>> Hi Dave and list,
>>>> To answer your question, I'm certain if I had been involved, things would
>>>> be
>>>> worse (grin smile)! I'm starting to learn how to send my own audio files.
>>>> The problem is not those involved with the stream! One is doing the best
>>>> they can with what they have available! I'm certain good people are
>>>> involved including yourself and that in itself is a good thing! The
>>>> problem
>>>> is streaming coventions aren't a high priority with the NFB. Equipment may
>>>> work at the home office but get it on the scene, forget it! This nonsense
>>>> of not getting the stream has been happening for a good 5 years or more
>>>> perhaps. I think more people would take advantage of it if it worked! It
>>>> is that plain and simple to me! The opposition not only streams their
>>>> convention live successfully every year, it is available on demand in its
>>>> intirity throughout the year! Anyone who can stand to hear it can do so!
>>>> I think we definitely need to put more of a priority to this than we have!
>>>> We certainly have a good track record when we put our mind to something!
>>>> It
>>>> gets done! This is one of the things which needs to work much better than
>>>> it has! What is happening now isn't working or hasn't worked well!
>>>> Therefore, it is roop goldburg to me, why bother? I would like to be
>>>> bothered and if I can't listen at a particular time, I could listen later!
>>>> This is the age of the Iphone, and other smart phones where people can
>>>> listen where they are, on a bus, outside or heaven only knows where!
>>>> Perhaps Voice of the Nation's Blind should be a full time radio station
>>>> which sells time to those wishing to buy time to present something!
>>>> Perhaps
>>>> it could evolve into being able to pay people to run the operation, what a
>>>> novel idea! I'm certain too the NFB could partner with various entaties
>>>> to
>>>> achieve a more successful dependable stream! If various states can stream
>>>> their conventions, why can't the national do the same successfuly? I
>>>> think
>>>> if it worked, you'd have many people listening whether at the convention
>>>> itself or whether at home or on the go! This definitely is one area where
>>>> the NFB hasn't done its job as well as it could be done! How cool it
>>>> would
>>>> be to dial it up or download it from Newsline perhaps!
>>>> I wish I could wave a magic wand or have the expertise to fix things but I
>>>> don't! The fact of the matter is, how many people would listen is flawed
>>>> because the stream itself is flawed so if the whole world knows the stream
>>>> doesn't work, why bother?
>>>> I'll keep trying throughout the day, but I think your being at convention
>>>> would be a good time to address this issue especially when one considers
>>>> the
>>>> rising costs of everything! If I could listen dependably, I could Email
>>>> or
>>>> phone my state affiliate representative to tell him how I'd like him to
>>>> vote
>>>> on certain matters! One could participate in this way and the NFB would
>>>> be
>>>> available for all the world to hear if they wished! Our critics say we
>>>> aren't an open and above board organization! Therefore, some might say
>>>> this
>>>> is why streaming isn't a priority!
>>>> All I am saying is we haven't done well in this area!
>>>> Jim
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:15 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>>>>> Jim:
>>>>> How do you know that the NFB is using a rube goldberg approach? Were you
>>>>> involved in the planning and execution?
>>>>> I am sorry too that it isn't working but you and everybody else seem to
>>>>> be
>>>>> pretty eager to condemn without knowing what is going on. They are
>>>>> trying
>>>>> to offer the stream in 3 different formats this year, the schedule, URL's
>>>>> etc. were announced in advance -- this hardly seems rube goldberg to me.
>>>>> Also, I listened to stream last year, and the most listeners I ever saw
>>>>> on
>>>>> at once was about 150 during banquet, most of time under 100. So people
>>>>> ask, and bitch and moan when it doesn't work, but it doesn't look like it
>>>>> is that widely used to me.
>>>>> Dave
>>>>> At 09:34 AM 7/5/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>> Hello
>>>>>> All!
>>>>>> I'm afraid the NFB hasn't ever been serious about live streaming audio
>>>>>> especially when it comes to conventions. I fully realize that this is an
>>>>>> expense but with the costs going up to go to conventions, I think the
>>>>>> expense could be justified. Until that happens,we will always have this
>>>>>> roop goldburg approach to streaming conventions. I wish it weren't so
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> one cannot depend on the stream nor hear it at a later time till the
>>>>>> Monitor comes out.
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 7:36 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>>>>>>> I can't hear anything. When I try to open up the windows media stream,
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> get a page error. Same thing with all the other streams. I have a
>>>>>>> direct file download for the mp3 stream and it comes up with no audio
>>>>>>> either. Frankly, I am beginning to wonder whether they know what they're
>>>>>>> doing!
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>>>>>> Skype name:
>>>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>>> Facebook:
>>>>>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>>>>>> On Jul 5, 2011, at 8:22 AM, mr. hooper wrote:
>>>>>>>> ac tually it is on but i think their audio board isn't set up right if
>>>>>>>> you turn your volume way up you can here it.
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 8:14 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>>>>>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>>>>> I think they forgot to turn the streaming for the convention on.
>>>>>>>>> Nothing is active right now and it's already 15 minutes past the
>>>>>>>>> starting time!!!!
>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>>>>>>>> Skype name:
>>>>>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>>>>> Facebook:
>>>>>>>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
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