[nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on

Tue Jul 5 23:10:06 UTC 2011

I didn't say 5000, I said 3000 to 4000.

Dave

At 05:45 PM 7/5/2011, you wrote:
>Wow I didn't realize 5,000 persons went to convention.
>My goodness, that I must say is a crowd.
>I so will always wish that they could come to Denver, I know they 
>have been there before.
>Several years for that matter.
>What caused the group to become larger?
>
>Original message:
>>You have to remember that the prime considerations in choosing a
>>location/hotel are rates and size.  If the rates are to high, people
>>can't/won't come.  And ... we need a large convention-style hotel
>>that can hold from 3000 to 4000 persons.  I am sure Colorado Springs
>>doesn't have that, and Denver may not.
>
>>Dave
>
>>At 04:47 PM 7/5/2011, you wrote:
>>>I would love to see the convention come west again, either to
>>>Colorado Denver or Colorado Springs.
>>>Closer to my home Montana.
>>>I understand why they wish not to come to Montana, but to Colorado
>>>because hotel rates are to high, I don't know about that one.
>
>>>Original message:
>>>>Brian,
>
>>>>I would agree.  When I asked Marc why they did not change the date of
>>>>Convention giving reasons similar to yours, and also pointing out that
>>>>cheaper hotel rates could probably be gotten at other times.  The 
>>>>answer was
>>>>given that the July Conventions are what the membership want.
>
>>>>Now the one time I actually observed a vote on changing the date and
>>>>location of Convention than the ones we constantly go to took place, I
>>>>believed that the majority as a hole voted to change date and location to
>>>>include other cities and get cheaper rates.  It sounded quite clear to me
>>>>the membership wanted more varied locations and times.  However, Marc said
>>>>that the motion to expand locations and times failed.  The State by State
>>>>vote was then called for.  Naturally the result of the votes of 
>>>>the 50 State
>>>>Presidents was to leave the Convention date as it is currently.
>
>>>>Not really a majority decision.  But a decision made using the rules of the
>>>>body as agreed upon.  I haven't been back to a Convention since.  Nor do I
>>>>plan to, as long as they are in the middle of summer; when I'd prefer to be
>>>>on the beach.  I guess you can call that, "William being a sore loser."  I
>>>>call it using my personal time as I see fit.  Should they try having it in
>>>>Orlando in January, I think I might try to attend the Convention.  I'd much
>>>>rather be in central Florida In January then now.
>
>
>
>>>>Thanks, William
>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 4:49 PM
>>>>To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>
>>>>you say the leaders want everyone to attend in person?
>
>>>>the leaders refuse to budge about adjusting the dates so they don't land on
>>>>4th of july weekend.
>>>>i had much more fun camping with friends than i would ever had sitting in a
>>>>chair listening to a person speaking all day and friends that want to be
>>>>with me instead of trying to find someone to eat/do things with after the
>>>>sessions.
>
>>>>Bryan Schulz
>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Wm. Ritchhart" <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 1:18 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>
>
>>>>>The fact that the Convention is streamed to any degree is huge progress.
>>>>>Marc made it clear to me years ago that were he to have his way, none of
>>>>>it
>>>>>would be streamed.  The leadership wanted all to attend in person.  Not
>>>>>via
>>>>>internet.  The fact that for the past few years the Conventions are being
>>>>>streamed in part or full is huge progress and a huge change from what Marc
>>>>>stated to me long ago.
>
>>>>>I am hoping to catch a little of it.  So I hope they get the kinks worked
>>>>>out soon.
>
>>>>>Thanks, William
>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>Behalf Of James Aldrich
>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 1:03 PM
>>>>>To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>
>>>>>Hi Dave  and list,
>
>>>>>To answer your question, I'm certain if I had been involved, things would
>>>>>be
>
>>>>>worse (grin smile)!  I'm starting to learn how to send my own audio files.
>
>>>>>The problem is not those involved with the stream!  One is doing the best
>>>>>they can with what they have available!  I'm certain good people are
>>>>>involved including yourself and that in itself is a good thing!  The
>>>>>problem
>
>>>>>is streaming coventions aren't a high priority with the NFB. Equipment may
>>>>>work at the home office but get it on the scene, forget it!  This nonsense
>>>>>of not getting the stream has been happening for a good 5 years or more
>>>>>perhaps.  I think more people would take advantage of it if it worked!  It
>>>>>is that plain and simple to me!  The opposition not only streams their
>>>>>convention live successfully every year, it is available on demand in its
>>>>>intirity throughout  the year!  Anyone who can stand to hear it can do so!
>>>>>I think we definitely need to put more of a priority to this than we have!
>>>>>We certainly have a good track record when we put our mind to something!
>>>>>It
>
>>>>>gets done!  This is one of the things which needs to work much better than
>>>>>it has!  What is happening now isn't working or hasn't worked well!
>>>>>Therefore, it is roop goldburg to me, why bother?  I would like to be
>>>>>bothered and if I can't listen at a particular time, I could listen later!
>>>>>This is the age of the Iphone, and other smart phones where people can
>>>>>listen where they are, on a bus, outside or heaven only knows where!
>>>>>Perhaps Voice of the Nation's Blind should be a full time radio station
>>>>>which sells time to those wishing to buy time to present something!
>>>>>Perhaps
>
>>>>>it could evolve into being able to pay people to run the operation, what a
>>>>>novel idea!  I'm certain too the NFB could partner with various entaties
>>>>>to
>>>>>achieve a more successful dependable stream!  If various states can stream
>>>>>their conventions, why can't the national do the same successfuly?  I
>>>>>think
>>>>>if it worked, you'd have many people listening whether at the convention
>>>>>itself or whether at home or on the go!  This definitely is one area where
>>>>>the NFB hasn't done its job as well  as it could be done! How cool it
>>>>>would
>>>>>be to dial it up or download it from Newsline perhaps!
>
>>>>>I wish I could wave a magic wand or have the expertise to fix things but I
>>>>>don't!  The fact of the matter is, how many people would listen is flawed
>>>>>because the stream itself is flawed so if the whole world knows the stream
>>>>>doesn't work, why bother?
>
>>>>>I'll keep trying throughout the day, but I think your being at convention
>>>>>would be a good time to address this issue especially when one considers
>>>>>the
>
>>>>>rising costs of everything!  If I could listen dependably, I could Email
>>>>>or
>>>>>phone my state affiliate representative to tell him how I'd like him to
>>>>>vote
>
>>>>>on certain matters!  One could participate in this way and the NFB would
>>>>>be
>>>>>available for all the world to hear if they wished!  Our critics say we
>>>>>aren't an open and above board organization!  Therefore, some might say
>>>>>this
>
>>>>>is why streaming isn't a priority!
>
>>>>>All I am saying is we haven't done well in this area!
>
>>>>>Jim
>
>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:15 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>
>
>>>>>>Jim:
>
>>>>>>How do you know that the NFB is using a rube goldberg approach?  Were you
>>>>>>involved in the planning and execution?
>
>>>>>>I am sorry too that it isn't working but you and everybody else seem to
>>>>>>be
>
>>>>>>pretty eager to condemn without knowing what is going on.  They are
>>>>>>trying
>
>>>>>>to offer the stream in 3 different formats this year, the schedule, URL's
>>>>>>etc. were announced in advance -- this hardly seems rube goldberg to me.
>
>
>>>>>>Also, I listened to stream last year, and the most listeners I ever saw
>>>>>>on
>
>>>>>>at once was about 150 during banquet, most of time under 100.  So people
>>>>>>ask, and bitch and moan when it doesn't work, but it doesn't look like it
>>>>>>is that widely used to me.
>
>>>>>>Dave
>
>>>>>>At 09:34 AM 7/5/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>>>Hello
>>>>>>>All!
>
>>>>>>>I'm afraid the NFB hasn't ever been serious about live streaming audio
>>>>>>>especially when it comes to conventions.  I fully realize that 
>>>>>>>this is an
>>>>>>>expense but with the costs going up to go to conventions, I think the
>>>>>>>expense could be justified.  Until that happens,we will always have this
>>>>>>>roop goldburg approach to streaming conventions.  I wish it weren't so
>>>>>>>but
>
>>>>>>>one cannot depend on the stream nor hear it at a later time till the
>>>>>>>Monitor comes out.
>
>>>>>>>Jim
>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>>>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 7:36 AM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>
>
>>>>>>>>I can't hear anything.  When I try to open up the windows media stream,
>>>>>>>>I
>
>>>>>>>>get a page error.  Same thing with all the other streams.  I have a
>>>>>>>>direct file download for the mp3 stream and it comes up with no audio
>>>>>>>>either. Frankly, I am beginning to wonder whether they know 
>>>>>>>>what they're
>>>>>>>>doing!
>
>
>>>>>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
>>>>>>>>Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>
>>>>>>>>Skype name:
>>>>>>>>barefootedray
>
>>>>>>>>Facebook:
>>>>>>>>facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>
>
>
>>>>>>>>On Jul 5, 2011, at 8:22 AM, mr. hooper wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>ac tually it is on but i think their audio board isn't set up right if
>>>>>>>>>you turn your volume way up you can here it.
>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>>>>>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 8:14 AM
>>>>>>>>>Subject: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>Hey,
>
>>>>>>>>>>I think they forgot to turn the streaming for the convention on.
>>>>>>>>>>Nothing is active right now and it's already 15 minutes past the
>>>>>>>>>>starting time!!!!
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
>>>>>>>>>>Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>
>>>>>>>>>>Skype name:
>>>>>>>>>>barefootedray
>
>>>>>>>>>>Facebook:
>>>>>>>>>>facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>
>
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