[nfb-talk] need help with jaws

[Steve Jacobson]

John,

I forgot to ask which operating system you were using.  The fact that NVDA works with this surprises me some but 
makes me wonder if you are using Windows 7.  I just tried ALT-ENTER on my Windows 7 64-bit machine and it didn't 
seem to do anything as far as I could tell, so my information might be out of date.  I am a window-eyes user, but in the 
past Window-Eyes acted the same as JFW in this respect, but my understanding was that in full-screen mode, the 
content of the command prompt was more or less invisible to Windows as a whole.  Anyway, maybe there is someone 
on NFBCS who would know more about this.  I think, though, that you should be able to get 25 by 80 displayed 
without full-screen mode, so there is probably still an element here I don't understand.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 16:18:30 -0500, John Heim wrote:

>Yeah, I think you understand what I'm saying exactly. As I said in another 
>message, I expected FS to tell me it was a known bug and that they couldn't 
>do anything about it. But then they told me they couldn't replicate it and I 
>started thinking it was just me. I just figured there was no harm in asking 
>FS about the problem especially since nvda does read the text in a full 
>screen command window.

>What I'm really trying to do is run curses applicationson a linux machine 
>via ssh. Specifically, dpkg and the kernel configuration program. These 
>programs run in character mode like an old DOS screen. A maximized ssh 
>window does okay most of the time but the problem is that a mistake when 
>setting kernel config parameters can keep your machine from booting. I don't 
>know if you ever had to fall back to a previous kernel when booting a linux 
>machine but its really a PITA. So what I've been doing when I really need to 
>make sure I don't make any mistakes is stop jaws, load nvda, and put the ssh 
>window into full screen mode. Either that or reboot my desktop into linux 
>and use speakup.

>Well, I'm getting a little off topic for this list. I guess the lesson is 
>that if you really want to talk to a linux machine, use another linux 
>machine.

>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 1:56 PM
>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] need help with jaws


>> John,
>>
>> You might get better answers on GUI-Talk, but I'll comment here.  If what 
>> you are encountering is that you don't get speech when you are in full 
>> screen
>> mode, that is not a bug as such, or at least it is not a JFW-Specific bug. 
>> The full screen mode works differently than even running maximized so 
>> screen
>> readers seem not to be able to get the information they need.  If you 
>> create a shortcut for the command prompt that runs it maximized, you 
>> should achieve
>> most of what you are after and JFW should still speak.
>>
>> If I am understanding what you wrote correctly, this is an old and 
>> well-known limitation and FS should have been able to explain this and 
>> certainly duplicate
>> it.  If I have not understood correctly, please describe in more detail 
>> and I'll try again.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>> On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 11:35:12 -0500, John Heim wrote:
>>
>>>All,
>>
>>>I'm having a problem with my jaws screen reader. I submitted a bug report
>>>but Freedom Scientific tells me they can't reproduce the bug. My 
>>>experience
>>>has been that all version of jaws have had this problem and it happens on
>>>every computer I've ever tried it on.  So I was hoping other users of jaws
>>>could tell me if they can reproduce the problem.
>>
>>>The problem is that jaws can't read text in a full screen command window. 
>>>A
>>>command window is the way Microsoft Windows lets you ttype in commands 
>>>sort
>>>of like the old days of DOS. If you use jaws I think you may be able to
>>>reproduce my problem by doing the following:
>>
>>>1. Press Windows+r to open a run dialog box. Jaws should say "Type the 
>>>name
>>>of a program etcetera" Type the word command and press enter. That should
>>>open a command window.
>>>2. Press Alt+Enter to make the window full screen. At this point, if you
>>>type a command like dir or help, text will be displayed on the screen but
>>>not spoken by jaws. Or at least that is what it does for me.
>>>3. Put the window back to normal size by pressing Alt+Enter again. Now 
>>>when
>>>you type a command, jaws will work correctly and read the text that is
>>>displayed.
>>
>>
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