[nfb-talk] I'll tell ou why we shouldn't talk to Republicans.RE: nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 43
Ray Foret Jr
rforetjr at att.net
Sat Dec 22 20:13:18 UTC 2012
Well Josh, I posted a more direct reply to Robert and the list which, I hope, will serve to answer your question. All the list I think, knows my personal political leanings, but, frankly, the other message I left is an effort to keep that out of this.
Read what I said carefully, and, you'll see why.
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
On Dec 22, 2012, at 12:59 PM, Joshua Lester <JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com> wrote:
> Okay?
> Where's the other side's oppinion?
> I want this to be fair and balanced, like Fox News!
> Blessings, Joshua
> ________________________________________
> From: nfb-talk [nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Robert Ortiz [bobby7391 at optimum.net]
> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 12:53 PM
> To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nfb-talk] I'll tell ou why we shouldn't talk to Republicans.RE: nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 43
>
> Chris,
>
> Don't you remember when President G.W. Bush (Or Baby Blue, as I like to call
> him) traveled around America in early 2005 while advocating that Social
> Security should be Privatized, either partially or completely? The
> Republican party has been for years dreaming of stealing the two trillion
> dollars in the SS trust fund and handing it to Wall Street who will invest
> it in the riskiest craziest derivatives they can invent. Doesn't anyone
> remember the banking collapse of 2008?
>
> So what do you think will happen to Social Security in the long term if that
> happens? Or isn't it obvious? Also, whenever any republican politician
> has been asked over the last decade if the republicans would consider giving
> governmental garantees to the beneficiaries of privatized personalized
> Social Security accounts, they have ALL WITHOUT EXEMPTION said ABSOLUTELY
> NO. So what does that mean? Well it is very clear. They, the Republicans,
> want to use our Social Security FICA insurance which we paid for, invest it
> in toilet paper investments, milk those investments for all they can, and
> then throw us under the bus when those "investments" inevitably go bust.
> And if those aren't convincing enough reasons why we shouldn't talk to
> republicans on this issue, then I don't know what reasons would be.
>
> Also, I also wanted to clarify something. I didn't say that the failure to
> negotiate a deal on the fiscal cliff by January 1st would automatically
> effect anyone's social security check now. I think maybe my previous
> posting was a little misunderstood.
>
> I was trying to explain that for the last three days, President and House
> Minority leader Nancy Palosi have both said that they are willing to cut the
> COLA Cost of Living Adjustment on
> Social Security beneficiaries by 0.3 percent. I know this doesn't sound
> like much, but it is a terribly frightening prospect for several reasons.
>
> 1( It would be the first time since the creation of Social Security that
> direct monthly benefits would have been cut AT ALL.
>
> 2) this minimum sounding cut is also accumulative. In about 10 years or
> less, every SSDI recipient will be receiving about an average of $1000.00
> less annually. Can any of us afford that? I know I can't. So this is a
> real cut, and not some kind of Consumer Pricing Index readjustment as many
> are now claiming.
>
> And 3) This first historic cut to Social Security benefits will open the
> DOOR WIDE OPEN to restricting and maybe privatizing Social Security which
> would eventually doom the entire trust fund. And if you need proof of that,
> then study what has happened to retirement benefit programs in Latin
> American countries whenever those countries have privatized or been forced
> to privatize their retirement benefit programs. This craziness has all been
> tried before to desasterous effects.
>
> Of course, no one's checks will disappear immediately, but the long term
> damage to Social Security may or probably will become UNREPAIRABLE! So that
> is why we should worry about how these fiscal cliff negotiations are going
> and exactly what the final shape of any deal looks like. It isn't just our
> long term future that's at stake, but what about when our kids retire or God
> forbid become disabled like us?
>
> Finally, I myself am not trying to scare anyone. Besides, I think the above
> facts are scary enough.
>
> Sincerely, Robert Ortiz
>
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:55:11 -0600
> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 40
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> Chris, don't you mean House Majority Leader, John Boehner, pronounced Baner?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher
> nusbaum
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 1:45 PM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 40
>
> Robert,
>
> This may be more of a political issue than anything, but I'm just wondering
> why you wouldn't recommend that we contact Republican leaders in Congress,
> especially House majority leader John Weiner?
> After all, they are involved in the negotiations just as much as the
> Democrats are, and they need to know how we feel as well. Now, if this is an
> inappropriate topics for list, or if it is a political issue for you and you
> don't want to talk to the Republicans, I understand that.
> Just curious.
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 21, 2012, at 1:58 PM, Robert Ortiz <bobby7391 at optimum.net> wrote:
>
>> I saw a message asking what the fiscal cliff has to do with the NFB
>> and I wanted to answer that question. A WHOLE DAMN LOT ESPECIALLY TO
>> ANYONE RECEIVING SSI OR SSDI! If an agreement isn't reached by
>> January 1st for this bologna "Fiscal Cliff" which I'm praying for,
>> then Social Security WILL NOT BE TOUCHED! But if President Obama and
>> Nancy Palosi continue to offer the damn republicans a cut in the
>> Annual Cost of Living Adjustment COLA for all Social Security
>> recipients, as they have done over the last few days; then all of us
>> blind SSDI recipients will experience our first real cut in our Social
> Security benefits. And remember SSDI stands for Social Security
>> Disability Insurance. And we all paid our FICA taxes over our work lives
>> to receive our DISABILITY INSURANCE! That's right IT'S INSURANCE WE
>> PAID FOR, NOT A HANDOUT!
>>
>> So I seriously suggest to everyone who reads this to do as I have done.
>> Call or email your home state's two senators, your house of
>> representatives congressman for your county, Senate Majority leader
>> Harry Reid, House Minority Leader Nancy Palosi, and President Obama to
>> please not backstab America's blind and disabled!
>>
>>
>>
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>> Today's Topics:
>>
>> 1. {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and Sequestration
>> (Kenneth Chrane)
>> 2. Re: {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>> Sequestration (Humberto Avila)
>> 3. Re: {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>> Sequestration (Mike Freeman)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:11:50 -0500
>> From: "Kenneth Chrane" <kenneth.chrane at verizon.net>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>, "NFB of Maryland
>> e-mail list" <nfbmd at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Blind_Democrats at yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>> Sequestration
>> Message-ID: <CC61E7FF5F26432E9606B39208B1704E at Kens>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Email
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: senator at mikulski.senate.gov
>> To: kenneth.chrane at verizon.net
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:40 AM
>> Subject: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and Sequestration
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Mr. Chrane:
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for contacting me about the fiscal cliff and the federal
> deficit.
>> It's good to hear from you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Americans need to have a government on their side that is capable of
>> solving tough problems. That's why Congress must act now to avoid the
>> devastating impact of the fiscal cliff and across-the-board cuts known
>> as
> sequester.
>> Without swift action to avoid the fiscal cliff, millions of Americans
>> would see their taxes go up and face spending cuts that could bring
>> our nation back into recession. The longer we delay the more damage
>> we do to ourselves and the economy.
>>
>>
>>
>> My principles for avoiding the fiscal cliff are simple. We must have
>> a combination of spending cuts and new revenue to reduce our debt and
>> still grow the economy. We must also protect the social contract
>> between the American people and their government. Medicare and
>> Medicaid need to be reformed and refreshed not gutted or block-granted.
>>
>>
>>
>> I believe there are ways to achieve the savings required to avoid the
>> fiscal cliff in a balanced and thoughtful way. We can start by
>> letting the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts expire for households making more
>> than
> $250,000 per year.
>> This could save an estimated $700 billion over 10 years. We can also
>> make thoughtful and balanced cuts to spending - both military and
>> domestic - that will begin to reduce our deficit. That's why I
>> supported the Budget Control Act passed by Congress in 2011 that would
>> require $900 billion in cuts over
>> 10 years.
>>
>>
>>
>> What we can't do, however, is use across-the-board spending cuts to
>> get us to a balanced budget. It would unfairly harm middle-class
>> families and do nothing to raise the additional revenue needed to
>> reduce the deficit. In Maryland alone, this could result in the loss
>> of tens of thousands of jobs and $3.1 billion to our state economy.
>>
>>
>>
>> I will continue to work with my colleagues in Congress to prevent the
>> fiscal cliff and make thoughtful and balanced changes to our spending
>> policy to reduce our national debt.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks again for getting in touch with me. Knowing of your views is
>> very important to me. Please let me know if I can be of any
>> assistance to you in the future.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Barbara A. Mikulski
>> United States Senator
>>
>>
>> Please do not respond directly to this e-mail. The originating e-mail
>> account is not monitored.
>> If you would like to get in touch with me again, please visit the
>> comments page of my website here.
>> If you would like to get regular updates, please sign up for my
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:17:19 -0800
>> From: "Humberto Avila" <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>> Sequestration
>> Message-ID: <007901cddf29$b0678580$11369080$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> And what does this have to do with the NFB? How are we impacted?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Kenneth Chrane
>> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 7:12 PM
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List; NFB of Maryland e-mail list
>> Cc: Blind_Democrats at yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>> Sequestration
>>
>> Email
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: senator at mikulski.senate.gov
>> To: kenneth.chrane at verizon.net
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:40 AM
>> Subject: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and Sequestration
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Mr. Chrane:
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for contacting me about the fiscal cliff and the federal
> deficit.
>> It's good to hear from you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Americans need to have a government on their side that is capable of
>> solving tough problems. That's why Congress must act now to avoid the
>> devastating impact of the fiscal cliff and across-the-board cuts known
>> as
> sequester.
>> Without swift action to avoid the fiscal cliff, millions of Americans
>> would see their taxes go up and face spending cuts that could bring
>> our nation back into recession. The longer we delay the more damage
>> we do to ourselves and the economy.
>>
>>
>>
>> My principles for avoiding the fiscal cliff are simple. We must have
>> a combination of spending cuts and new revenue to reduce our debt and
>> still grow the economy. We must also protect the social contract
>> between the American people and their government. Medicare and
>> Medicaid need to be reformed and refreshed not gutted or block-granted.
>>
>>
>>
>> I believe there are ways to achieve the savings required to avoid the
>> fiscal cliff in a balanced and thoughtful way. We can start by
>> letting the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts expire for households making more
>> than
> $250,000 per year.
>> This could save an estimated $700 billion over 10 years. We can also
>> make thoughtful and balanced cuts to spending - both military and
>> domestic - that will begin to reduce our deficit. That's why I
>> supported the Budget Control Act passed by Congress in 2011 that would
>> require $900 billion in cuts over
>> 10 years.
>>
>>
>>
>> What we can't do, however, is use across-the-board spending cuts to
>> get us to a balanced budget. It would unfairly harm middle-class
>> families and do nothing to raise the additional revenue needed to
>> reduce the deficit. In Maryland alone, this could result in the loss
>> of tens of thousands of jobs and $3.1 billion to our state economy.
>>
>>
>>
>> I will continue to work with my colleagues in Congress to prevent the
>> fiscal cliff and make thoughtful and balanced changes to our spending
>> policy to reduce our national debt.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks again for getting in touch with me. Knowing of your views is
>> very important to me. Please let me know if I can be of any
>> assistance to you in the future.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Barbara A. Mikulski
>> United States Senator
>>
>>
>> Please do not respond directly to this e-mail. The originating e-mail
>> account is not monitored.
>> If you would like to get in touch with me again, please visit the
>> comments page of my website here.
>> If you would like to get regular updates, please sign up for my
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>> Please follow me on Twitter and Facebook.
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:26:49 -0800
>> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>> Sequestration
>> Message-ID: <FA5FCD01-4B82-498E-9B35-DFB84CD831E3 at panix.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> Rehab funding.
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>> sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 20, 2012, at 19:17, "Humberto Avila"
>> <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> And what does this have to do with the NFB? How are we impacted?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Kenneth Chrane
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 7:12 PM
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List; NFB of Maryland e-mail list
>>> Cc: Blind_Democrats at yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>> Sequestration
>>>
>>> Email
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: senator at mikulski.senate.gov
>>> To: kenneth.chrane at verizon.net
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:40 AM
>>> Subject: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and Sequestration
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Mr. Chrane:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for contacting me about the fiscal cliff and the federal
>> deficit.
>>> It's good to hear from you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Americans need to have a government on their side that is capable of
>> solving
>>> tough problems. That's why Congress must act now to avoid the
>>> devastating impact of the fiscal cliff and across-the-board cuts
>>> known as
> sequester.
>>> Without swift action to avoid the fiscal cliff, millions of Americans
>> would
>>> see their taxes go up and face spending cuts that could bring our
>>> nation back into recession. The longer we delay the more damage we
>>> do to
>> ourselves
>>> and the economy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My principles for avoiding the fiscal cliff are simple. We must have
>>> a combination of spending cuts and new revenue to reduce our debt and
>>> still grow the economy. We must also protect the social contract
>>> between the American people and their government. Medicare and
>>> Medicaid need to be reformed and refreshed not gutted or block-granted.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe there are ways to achieve the savings required to avoid the
>> fiscal
>>> cliff in a balanced and thoughtful way. We can start by letting the
>>> 2001 and 2003 tax cuts expire for households making more than
>>> $250,000 per
>> year.
>>> This could save an estimated $700 billion over 10 years. We can also
>>> make thoughtful and balanced cuts to spending - both military and
>>> domestic -
>> that
>>> will begin to reduce our deficit. That's why I supported the Budget
>> Control
>>> Act passed by Congress in 2011 that would require $900 billion in
>>> cuts
>> over
>>> 10 years.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What we can't do, however, is use across-the-board spending cuts to
>>> get us to a balanced budget. It would unfairly harm middle-class
>>> families and do nothing to raise the additional revenue needed to
>>> reduce the deficit. In Maryland alone, this could result in the loss
>>> of tens of thousands of jobs and $3.1 billion to our state economy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I will continue to work with my colleagues in Congress to prevent the
>> fiscal
>>> cliff and make thoughtful and balanced changes to our spending policy
>>> to reduce our national debt.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks again for getting in touch with me. Knowing of your views is
>>> very important to me. Please let me know if I can be of any
>>> assistance to you
>> in
>>> the future.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Barbara A. Mikulski
>>> United States Senator
>>>
>>>
>>> Please do not respond directly to this e-mail. The originating e-mail
>>> account is not monitored.
>>> If you would like to get in touch with me again, please visit the
>>> comments page of my website here.
>>> If you would like to get regular updates, please sign up for my
>> E-Newsletter
>>> here.
>>> Please follow me on Twitter and Facebook.
>>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:58:49 -0600
> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
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> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 40
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> Chris,
>
> The problem in this country is not the revenue coming in, but the spending.
> Based on this, our Government needs to be responsible enough to look at cuts
> across the board and this includes SSA benefits. My hope that if a
> compromise canot be reached, all programs will be looked at equally as far
> as cuts. I have read that implementing a 1% cut across the board in all
> Federal programs could get us out of this mess, but no one will pull that
> proverbial trigger. Needless to say, chances are that the COLA for SSA
> benefits would be ended just for starters.
>
> Steve
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher
> nusbaum
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 1:36 PM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 40
>
> Ray,
>
> Although this is merely speculation at this point, I agree with you.
> If an agreement is not reached by January 1, and even if an agreement is
> reached on this fiscal cliff issue, some government programs will most
> likely be either cut or eliminated. However, it seems that most politicians
> think Social Security is an important program, and most of the people I've
> heard say they don't want to touch that program. So, I think those of you on
> SSI or SSDI will not be affected. Still, it might be good to keep an eye on
> this issue.
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 21, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
>
>> I suspect that those of us on SSI and social security will receive our
> checks. Pay no attention to scare tactis which may try to make you think
> otherwise. Now, perhaps however, this may have a negative effect on long
> term funding of educational programs; which, of course, would not be good.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>>
>> On Dec 21, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Robert Ortiz <bobby7391 at optimum.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I saw a message asking what the fiscal cliff has to do with the NFB
>>> and I wanted to answer that question. A WHOLE DAMN LOT ESPECIALLY TO
>>> ANYONE RECEIVING SSI OR SSDI! If an agreement isn't reached by
>>> January 1st for this bologna "Fiscal Cliff" which I'm praying for,
>>> then Social Security WILL NOT BE TOUCHED! But if President Obama and
>>> Nancy Palosi continue to offer the damn republicans a cut in the
>>> Annual Cost of Living Adjustment COLA for all Social Security
>>> recipients, as they have done over the last few days; then all of us
>>> blind SSDI recipients will experience our first real cut in our
>>> Social
> Security benefits. And remember SSDI stands for Social Security
>>> Disability Insurance. And we all paid our FICA taxes over our work
> lives
>>> to receive our DISABILITY INSURANCE! That's right IT'S INSURANCE WE
>>> PAID FOR, NOT A HANDOUT!
>>>
>>> So I seriously suggest to everyone who reads this to do as I have done.
>>> Call or email your home state's two senators, your house of
>>> representatives congressman for your county, Senate Majority leader
>>> Harry Reid, House Minority Leader Nancy Palosi, and President Obama
>>> to please not backstab America's blind and disabled!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
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>>> Today's Topics:
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>>> 1. {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and Sequestration
>>> (Kenneth Chrane)
>>> 2. Re: {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>> Sequestration (Humberto Avila)
>>> 3. Re: {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>> Sequestration (Mike Freeman)
>>>
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>>> -
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:11:50 -0500
>>> From: "Kenneth Chrane" <kenneth.chrane at verizon.net>
>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>, "NFB of Maryland
>>> e-mail list" <nfbmd at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Blind_Democrats at yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>> Sequestration
>>> Message-ID: <CC61E7FF5F26432E9606B39208B1704E at Kens>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> Email
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: senator at mikulski.senate.gov
>>> To: kenneth.chrane at verizon.net
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:40 AM
>>> Subject: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and Sequestration
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Mr. Chrane:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for contacting me about the fiscal cliff and the federal
> deficit.
>>> It's good to hear from you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Americans need to have a government on their side that is capable of
>>> solving tough problems. That's why Congress must act now to avoid
>>> the devastating impact of the fiscal cliff and across-the-board cuts
> known as sequester.
>>> Without swift action to avoid the fiscal cliff, millions of Americans
>>> would see their taxes go up and face spending cuts that could bring
>>> our nation back into recession. The longer we delay the more damage
>>> we do to ourselves and the economy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My principles for avoiding the fiscal cliff are simple. We must have
>>> a combination of spending cuts and new revenue to reduce our debt and
>>> still grow the economy. We must also protect the social contract
>>> between the American people and their government. Medicare and
>>> Medicaid need to be reformed and refreshed not gutted or block-granted.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe there are ways to achieve the savings required to avoid the
>>> fiscal cliff in a balanced and thoughtful way. We can start by
>>> letting the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts expire for households making more
>>> than
> $250,000 per year.
>>> This could save an estimated $700 billion over 10 years. We can also
>>> make thoughtful and balanced cuts to spending - both military and
>>> domestic - that will begin to reduce our deficit. That's why I
>>> supported the Budget Control Act passed by Congress in 2011 that
>>> would require $900 billion in cuts over
>>> 10 years.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What we can't do, however, is use across-the-board spending cuts to
>>> get us to a balanced budget. It would unfairly harm middle-class
>>> families and do nothing to raise the additional revenue needed to
>>> reduce the deficit. In Maryland alone, this could result in the loss
>>> of tens of thousands of jobs and $3.1 billion to our state economy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I will continue to work with my colleagues in Congress to prevent the
>>> fiscal cliff and make thoughtful and balanced changes to our spending
>>> policy to reduce our national debt.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks again for getting in touch with me. Knowing of your views is
>>> very important to me. Please let me know if I can be of any
>>> assistance to you in the future.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Barbara A. Mikulski
>>> United States Senator
>>>
>>>
>>> Please do not respond directly to this e-mail. The originating e-mail
>>> account is not monitored.
>>> If you would like to get in touch with me again, please visit the
>>> comments page of my website here.
>>> If you would like to get regular updates, please sign up for my
>>> E-Newsletter here.
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>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:17:19 -0800
>>> From: "Humberto Avila" <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>> Sequestration
>>> Message-ID: <007901cddf29$b0678580$11369080$@gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> And what does this have to do with the NFB? How are we impacted?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Kenneth Chrane
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 7:12 PM
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List; NFB of Maryland e-mail list
>>> Cc: Blind_Democrats at yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>> Sequestration
>>>
>>> Email
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: senator at mikulski.senate.gov
>>> To: kenneth.chrane at verizon.net
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:40 AM
>>> Subject: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and Sequestration
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Mr. Chrane:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for contacting me about the fiscal cliff and the federal
> deficit.
>>> It's good to hear from you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Americans need to have a government on their side that is capable of
>>> solving tough problems. That's why Congress must act now to avoid
>>> the devastating impact of the fiscal cliff and across-the-board cuts
> known as sequester.
>>> Without swift action to avoid the fiscal cliff, millions of Americans
>>> would see their taxes go up and face spending cuts that could bring
>>> our nation back into recession. The longer we delay the more damage
>>> we do to ourselves and the economy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My principles for avoiding the fiscal cliff are simple. We must have
>>> a combination of spending cuts and new revenue to reduce our debt and
>>> still grow the economy. We must also protect the social contract
>>> between the American people and their government. Medicare and
>>> Medicaid need to be reformed and refreshed not gutted or block-granted.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe there are ways to achieve the savings required to avoid the
>>> fiscal cliff in a balanced and thoughtful way. We can start by
>>> letting the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts expire for households making more
>>> than
> $250,000 per year.
>>> This could save an estimated $700 billion over 10 years. We can also
>>> make thoughtful and balanced cuts to spending - both military and
>>> domestic - that will begin to reduce our deficit. That's why I
>>> supported the Budget Control Act passed by Congress in 2011 that
>>> would require $900 billion in cuts over
>>> 10 years.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What we can't do, however, is use across-the-board spending cuts to
>>> get us to a balanced budget. It would unfairly harm middle-class
>>> families and do nothing to raise the additional revenue needed to
>>> reduce the deficit. In Maryland alone, this could result in the loss
>>> of tens of thousands of jobs and $3.1 billion to our state economy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I will continue to work with my colleagues in Congress to prevent the
>>> fiscal cliff and make thoughtful and balanced changes to our spending
>>> policy to reduce our national debt.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks again for getting in touch with me. Knowing of your views is
>>> very important to me. Please let me know if I can be of any
>>> assistance to you in the future.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Barbara A. Mikulski
>>> United States Senator
>>>
>>>
>>> Please do not respond directly to this e-mail. The originating e-mail
>>> account is not monitored.
>>> If you would like to get in touch with me again, please visit the
>>> comments page of my website here.
>>> If you would like to get regular updates, please sign up for my
>>> E-Newsletter here.
>>> Please follow me on Twitter and Facebook.
>>>
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>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:26:49 -0800
>>> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>> Sequestration
>>> Message-ID: <FA5FCD01-4B82-498E-9B35-DFB84CD831E3 at panix.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>> Rehab funding.
>>>
>>> Mike Freeman
>>> sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 20, 2012, at 19:17, "Humberto Avila"
>>> <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> And what does this have to do with the NFB? How are we impacted?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Kenneth Chrane
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 7:12 PM
>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List; NFB of Maryland e-mail list
>>>> Cc: Blind_Democrats at yahoogroups.com
>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>>> Sequestration
>>>>
>>>> Email
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: senator at mikulski.senate.gov
>>>> To: kenneth.chrane at verizon.net
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:40 AM
>>>> Subject: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and Sequestration
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Mr. Chrane:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for contacting me about the fiscal cliff and the federal
>>> deficit.
>>>> It's good to hear from you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Americans need to have a government on their side that is capable of
>>> solving
>>>> tough problems. That's why Congress must act now to avoid the
>>>> devastating impact of the fiscal cliff and across-the-board cuts
>>>> known
> as sequester.
>>>> Without swift action to avoid the fiscal cliff, millions of
>>>> Americans
>>> would
>>>> see their taxes go up and face spending cuts that could bring our
>>>> nation back into recession. The longer we delay the more damage we
>>>> do to
>>> ourselves
>>>> and the economy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My principles for avoiding the fiscal cliff are simple. We must
>>>> have a combination of spending cuts and new revenue to reduce our
>>>> debt and still grow the economy. We must also protect the social
>>>> contract between the American people and their government. Medicare
>>>> and Medicaid need to be reformed and refreshed not gutted or
> block-granted.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I believe there are ways to achieve the savings required to avoid
>>>> the
>>> fiscal
>>>> cliff in a balanced and thoughtful way. We can start by letting the
>>>> 2001 and 2003 tax cuts expire for households making more than
>>>> $250,000 per
>>> year.
>>>> This could save an estimated $700 billion over 10 years. We can
>>>> also make thoughtful and balanced cuts to spending - both military
>>>> and domestic -
>>> that
>>>> will begin to reduce our deficit. That's why I supported the Budget
>>> Control
>>>> Act passed by Congress in 2011 that would require $900 billion in
>>>> cuts
>>> over
>>>> 10 years.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What we can't do, however, is use across-the-board spending cuts to
>>>> get us to a balanced budget. It would unfairly harm middle-class
>>>> families and do nothing to raise the additional revenue needed to
>>>> reduce the deficit. In Maryland alone, this could result in the
>>>> loss of tens of thousands of jobs and $3.1 billion to our state economy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I will continue to work with my colleagues in Congress to prevent
>>>> the
>>> fiscal
>>>> cliff and make thoughtful and balanced changes to our spending
>>>> policy to reduce our national debt.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again for getting in touch with me. Knowing of your views is
>>>> very important to me. Please let me know if I can be of any
>>>> assistance to you
>>> in
>>>> the future.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Barbara A. Mikulski
>>>> United States Senator
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please do not respond directly to this e-mail. The originating
>>>> e-mail account is not monitored.
>>>> If you would like to get in touch with me again, please visit the
>>>> comments page of my website here.
>>>> If you would like to get regular updates, please sign up for my
>>> E-Newsletter
>>>> here.
>>>> Please follow me on Twitter and Facebook.
>>>>
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