[nfb-talk] Audible.com to exclude Victor Reader Stream

Sun Feb 3 21:34:59 UTC 2013

thanks, dave.
I was going to say this is becoming too much drama myself.
I was frontline on supporting NFB' protest on amazons headquarters, because their actions with kindle were and are unacceptable, but there are changes being made to improve this, and we are here in washington seminar to keep that change going.
now, when you sit down and twist something around like what some people in this tread do guess what happens? we're set back tremendously because we speak without being aware of situations fully.
we can not afford this kind of action, and we must argue in the most reasonable manner possible, for instance: one could try and convince amazon to add certain categories of players which include the one used by Uus, instead of  singling out the issue, and making the argument invalid, as this approach only leads to us not being heard when we do bring up a consistent argument.

sincerely

mauricio
On Feb 3, 2013, at 4:29 PM, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:

> Ray,  You are attributing emotions to Amazon -- they are a publicly owned corporation, not a person.  I really doubt they hate blind persons.  The corporation can't and most of the employees are unaware.  You say they don't listen -- really what you mean is that they are not doing what you want, in the way you want.  I think they have heard us -- they just have a different set of priorities.
> 
> Dave
> 
> At 01:53 PM 2/3/2013, you wrote:
>> Chris, I fail to understand how anyone can say that amazon doesn't hate us:  I nean, after all, look how long they've refused to listen to us woen we've been trying to talk to them about making the Kendal more accessible to us. It seems to me that when you try to talk to someone and they just won't listen to you, well, what would you come to think after a while?
>>   If they don't start listening to us pretty quickly, I cannot help but suspect that, whether we like it or not, we may well have to sui Amazon.  I'm a little surprised that we haven't done that already.
>> 
>> This message was written using the Braille Touch app on my Iphone.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 3, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Chris Westbrook <westbchris at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > Ray, "picking a fight" is a very inflammable term that I don't think applies here.  Even in the instance of the kindle, I don't think amazon is excluding blind people because they hate us, I think they have made a business decision which they erroneously feel is in their best interest to not in their view waste extra resources on providing accessibility.  It is our job to show them that legally and otherwise they are mistaken.
>> > On Feb 3, 2013, at 12:56 PM, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dave, in large  part, I cannot and do not quarrel with what you say here.  Nevertheless, it does seem to me that, with Amazon not being willing to listen to the NFB when we ask for accessibility to the dKendal and better access to other stuff from Amazon, well, seems to me they are looking for a fight.  Yes, audible.com and Amazon are linked so far as password access may be concerned, but, it's my belief that Audible still retains independent control over that which was once theirs.  I think that, until we receive hard evidence that Amazon is telling Audible not to be at all blind friendly, we ought perhaps to assume that they will.  Fair enough?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my mac
>> >> Sincerely,
>> >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> >> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>> >>
>> >> On Feb 3, 2013, at 11:44 AM, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Folks, unlike what some people want you to believe, Amazon/Audible have not singled out the blind.  They have a policy of only supporting Apple iOS and Android apps, and have stopped supporting other new devices including many MP3 players that sighted persons use.  Further, it would appear that since they now support the Stream -- that they will support the new Stream.
>> >>>
>> >>> I don't agree with everything that amazon does -- they are not very blind friendly -- but let's be fair.  We can't expect cooperation and work on their part if we shoot them down for something that applies to everybody.
>> >>>
>> >>> Dave
>> >>>
>> >>> At 07:42 PM 2/2/2013, you wrote:
>> >>>> Is begging to have someone take them to court.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Loren
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Let's hope so Michael.  Is amazon asking to have a fight?  It seems that
>> >>>> their reluctance and outright refusal to let the kindle be accessible,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael D.
>> >>>> Barber
>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 3:44 PM
>> >>>> To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Audible.com to exclude Victor Reader Stream
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I just heard from someone yesterday who received an e-mail from Audible.com
>> >>>> that they are indeed working to restore this.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim
>> >>>> Portillo
>> 
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