[nfb-talk] Audible.com to exclude Victor Reader Stream

Ashley Bramlett bookwormahb at earthlink.net
Sun Feb 3 21:53:43 UTC 2013

Right; they don't hate us; simply that accessibility isn't a priority.

-----Original Message----- 
From: David Andrews
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 4:29 PM
To: NFB Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Audible.com to exclude Victor Reader Stream

Ray,  You are attributing emotions to Amazon -- they are a publicly
owned corporation, not a person.  I really doubt they hate blind
persons.  The corporation can't and most of the employees are
unaware.  You say they don't listen -- really what you mean is that
they are not doing what you want, in the way you want.  I think they
have heard us -- they just have a different set of priorities.


At 01:53 PM 2/3/2013, you wrote:
>Chris, I fail to understand how anyone can say that amazon doesn't hate us: 
>I nean, after all, look how long they've refused to listen to us woen we've 
>been trying to talk to them about making the Kendal more accessible to us. 
>It seems to me that when you try to talk to someone and they just won't 
>listen to you, well, what would you come to think after a while?
>    If they don't start listening to us pretty quickly, I cannot help but 
> suspect that, whether we like it or not, we may well have to sui Amazon. 
> I'm a little surprised that we haven't done that already.
>This message was written using the Braille Touch app on my Iphone.
>Sent from my iPhone
>On Feb 3, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Chris Westbrook <westbchris at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Ray, "picking a fight" is a very inflammable term that I don't
> think applies here.  Even in the instance of the kindle, I don't think 
> amazon is excluding blind people because they hate us, I think they have 
> made a business decision which they erroneously feel is in their best 
> interest to not in their view waste extra resources on providing 
> accessibility.  It is our job to show them that legally and otherwise they 
> are mistaken.
> > On Feb 3, 2013, at 12:56 PM, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Dave, in large  part, I cannot and do not quarrel with what you
> say here.  Nevertheless, it does seem to me that, with Amazon not being 
> willing to listen to the NFB when we ask for accessibility to the dKendal 
> and better access to other stuff from Amazon, well, seems to me they are 
> looking for a fight.  Yes, audible.com and Amazon are linked so far as 
> password access may be concerned, but, it's my belief that Audible still 
> retains independent control over that which was once theirs.  I think 
> that, until we receive hard evidence that Amazon is telling Audible not to 
> be at all blind friendly, we ought perhaps to assume that they will.  Fair 
> enough?
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my mac
> >> Sincerely,
> >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> >> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
> >>
> >> On Feb 3, 2013, at 11:44 AM, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Folks, unlike what some people want you to believe,
> Amazon/Audible have not singled out the blind.  They have a policy of only 
> supporting Apple iOS and Android apps, and have stopped supporting other 
> new devices including many MP3 players that sighted persons use.  Further, 
> it would appear that since they now support the Stream -- that they will 
> support the new Stream.
> >>>
> >>> I don't agree with everything that amazon does -- they are not
> very blind friendly -- but let's be fair.  We can't expect cooperation and 
> work on their part if we shoot them down for something that applies to 
> everybody.
> >>>
> >>> Dave
> >>>
> >>> At 07:42 PM 2/2/2013, you wrote:
> >>>> Is begging to have someone take them to court.
> >>>>
> >>>> Loren
> >>>>
> >>>> Let's hope so Michael.  Is amazon asking to have a fight?  It seems 
> >>>> that
> >>>> their reluctance and outright refusal to let the kindle be 
> >>>> accessible,
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Michael D.
> >>>> Barber
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 3:44 PM
> >>>> To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Audible.com to exclude Victor Reader Stream
> >>>>
> >>>> I just heard from someone yesterday who received an e-mail
> from Audible.com
> >>>> that they are indeed working to restore this.
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim
> >>>> Portillo

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