[nfb-talk] Stupidity running amuck on the Colbert Report!

Mon Nov 18 01:30:36 UTC 2013

Well, not quite. I've met folks who had someone say they need a dog when 
they really didn't want one. I've also heard folks, especially mobility 
folks insist that we shouldn't be using our dogs. I like dogs. Sometimes I 
don't want one everywhere I go but usually, I have one with me. I didn't get 
my first guoide until about 5 years ago. I used a cane and did it well! i am 
glad I'm versitile. Dogs have much more responsibility attached to them than 
dogs do. Before one can make a choice they need to learn the skills first 
and that''s the real point. I've seen folks who have almost no cane skills 
having dogs. Iether because they didn't learn them in the first place or 
because they've had dogs so long that they have lost the skill from lack of 
practice. In each case, I think its not a good thing.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
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Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Stupidity running amuck on the Colbert Report!


> It's simple: those who love animals cannot admit that they might have
> drawbacks as well as benefits; those who are not into animals can't see 
> why
> anyone would want to be intimately associated with one. Given this
> intellectual disconnect, it's impossible to discuss the subject without
> emotion.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael
> Hingson
> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 3:27 PM
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> Oh it can be discussed, but emotion needs to go away.
>
> I am not sure why there need be two camps anyway.  Dogs and canes both 
> work,
> just like PCs and MACs.  Which computer is better?  That debate will exist
> for a long time, unless a quantum computer comes along.  The fact is both
> work and it is a matter of choice, preference, and practicality.
>
> People need to get over the debate.
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> Michael Hingson
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Freeman
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> Amen, amen, amen! Steve Jacobson and I have reached the conclusion that 
> the
> subject cannot be discussed logically by members of either camp.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy
> Brannan
> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 11:44 AM
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> Mike and Gary,
>
> I tell y'all what, you've got more patience than I do. On both sides o 
> this
> issue. I'm about fed up with the "guide dogs are superior" "canes are
> superior" argument. I'm just out of patience with the whole blasted thing.
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>
>
>
> On Nov 17, 2013, at 2:40 PM, Larry D. Keeler <lkeeler at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Joshua, I respectfully disagree! I use both cane and dog. It is still
>> our
> responsibility to know where we are going and to know what obstructions 
> our
> dogs find. It can make some things easier but doesn't take away any
> independence!
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester"
>> <JLester8462 at pccua.edu>
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>> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 1:20 PM
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>>
>>> We've discussed this on another list!
>>> You're more independent with a cane, because you're responsible for
> finding clues, and things like that, but when you have a dog, you're
> depending on the dog's sight, to get you where you need to go.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: nfb-talk [nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Eddie
>>> Salcido [rednexican at socal.rr.com]
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 10:10 AM
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>>> Preferably a cane?  According to whose preference and why should it
>>> matter to you whether someone uses a dog or a cane to get around
> independently?
>>> Isn't it enough that said hypothetical person travels about?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>> Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 6:17 PM
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>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Stupidity running amuck on the Colbert Report!
>>>
>>> Correct!
>>> I'm proud of Mr. Carter's responses about it, but I want to know, as
>>> I posted before, why doesn't he use a cane or a dog?
>>> All of the blind boys are putting their hands on the shoulders of the
>>> sighted guys in the band, so they can be led on stage!
>>> #1, that's empropper sighted guide, and #2, they need to use a cane,
>>> or a dog, but preferably a cane, to get around!
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: nfb-talk [nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Mark Tardif
>>> [markspark at roadrunner.com]
>>> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 4:46 PM
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>>> All I will say is that racism should be considered ridiculous and
>>> stupid regardless of whether one is blind or dighted.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark Tardif
>>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 3:13 PM
>>> To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Stupidity running amuck on the Colbert Report!
>>>
>>> Two nights ago, my friends, the Blind Boys of Alabama were guests on
>>> Stephen Colbert's show on Commedy Central.
>>> Colbert had the nerve to ask Jimmy Carter, (the leader of the group,)
>>> a stupid question.
>>> "As a blind person, does racism seem ridiculous to you, since you
>>> can't tell what race somebody is?"
>>> What's next?
>>> Not only is the question offensive from a racial standpoint, but it's
>>> offensive from the blindness perspective!
>>> I would have asked to have my group removed from the show, but Jimmy
>>> educated Mr. Colbert, and handled it with grace!
>>> There's a link to this ignorance on the group's Twitter page.
>>> http://www.twitter.com/blindboys
>>> Blessings, Joshua
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