[nfb-talk] Wanting to See

kaye zimpher kaye.j.zimpher at gmail.com
Sat Jan 7 03:31:07 UTC 2017


Wait, are you the person on this list I wrote to once who said he was a Hmm 
was it math matition, or some really technically over the top sort, So you 
are a defective math matition? Hmm lol
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Heim via nfb-talk" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Cc: "John Heim" <john at johnheim.com>
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Wanting to See


> In retrospect, I realize that it may not have been clear that my comment 
> was a joke.
>
>
> On 01/06/2017 07:52 PM, Devin Prater via nfb-talk wrote:
>> Perfection isn't really something that is the same for everyone. I'm
>> pretty perfect to myself, for example. If we see ourselves with
>> blimishes and imperfections, we won't be able to see the amazing things
>> about ourselves.
>>
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>> On January 6, 2017 7:27:57 PM John Heim via nfb-talk
>> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I, fortunately, am perfect except for the fact that I am blind.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 01/06/2017 07:08 PM, Devin Prater via nfb-talk wrote:
>>>> I think it's mostly about how you view yourself. I'm fat, at around 235
>>>> pounds, and have been blind since birth. I accept both my big belly, 
>>>> and
>>>> blind eyes, so I don't worry about either, which leads to much less
>>>> stress on that front.
>>>>
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>>>> On January 6, 2017 6:52:28 PM John Heim via nfb-talk
>>>> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey, I didn't insert the word "defective" into this debate. My point
>>>>> has
>>>>> been that you can even say I am defective and it means nothing to me.
>>>>> Defective, disabled, handicapped -- I don't care.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 01/06/2017 06:43 PM, kaye zimpher via nfb-talk wrote:
>>>>>> First I want to say, that having read the original post, I am
>>>>>> wondering
>>>>>> how we got from "are feelings normal" to "we are all defective
>>>>>> morons."
>>>>>> Well, John didn't say moron, that was a joke, but that is just to
>>>>>> say it
>>>>>> has stretched the topic a bit. But enough of that, now on to my
>>>>>> response
>>>>>> to Jen.
>>>>>> Personally, I too have been blind from birth. I actually can't
>>>>>> remember
>>>>>> a time that I ever wanted to see. There was a time, when I was much
>>>>>> younger that I did not accept myself, or my place in life, but as I
>>>>>> got
>>>>>> older, and realized a few things, I have grown to love my life as a
>>>>>> blind person.
>>>>>> I have found that many of the things that people "wish they could
>>>>>> see,"
>>>>>> I already have a basis for in my mind, and like you, I don't want to
>>>>>> ruin that. I am a perfectly capable person, and I would not want,
>>>>>> at the
>>>>>> age of 46, to take the time to truly relearn life. Also, and here's
>>>>>> where many may disagree, I am a believer in God, and I truly believe
>>>>>> that He made me this way for his reasons. It is upon me to accept
>>>>>> those
>>>>>> reasons and live the life He asks of me.
>>>>>> I've been asked before if I feel that God will heel me. I usually say
>>>>>> that if he sees the need, he definitely has the power, but I believe
>>>>>> this is exactly who he wants me to be. Why would I challenge that?
>>>>>> When it comes to conveniences, I feel that much of what a sighted
>>>>>> person
>>>>>> does, I also do. Have you ever lived in New York? Nobody there 
>>>>>> drives,
>>>>>> they all take the subway or cab, or now Uber, so how is that 
>>>>>> different
>>>>>> from me? I watch TV, I listen to books, and while many sighted folks
>>>>>> don't listen to audio books, some do. I cook, clean, work, complain
>>>>>> about my relationship, my job and the state of the world, and I crave
>>>>>> snack foods when I'm dieting. *smile* So having said all this, I
>>>>>> find my
>>>>>> life to basically be the same as everyone else's.
>>>>>> As for whether or not your feelings are normal. They are your
>>>>>> feelings,
>>>>>> so they are your normal. Only you can feel the way you do, and
>>>>>> noone can
>>>>>> take it away or tell you not to. It is all in how you deal with those
>>>>>> feelings that matters.
>>>>>> Sorry for the long post. Everyone have a great weekend.
>>>>>> Kaye in Jacksonville Florida, where it is *not* snowing!
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jen via nfb-talk"
>>>>>> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Cc: "Jen" <spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 8:30 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Wanting to See
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I posted on my "driverless cars" thread, I'm totally blind from
>>>>>>> birth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have always been interested in visual things. They include
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * pictures, especially pictures of pictures
>>>>>>> * colors
>>>>>>> * the sky
>>>>>>> * videos
>>>>>>> * light and the various ways it can be manipulated, like with
>>>>>>> shadows and
>>>>>>> optical illusions
>>>>>>> * rainbows
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ... and so many others.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now here's my question. I wish I could see sometimes. Is this normal
>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>> blind person? I'm not consumed by these feelings. I don't feel sorry
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> myself for being blind, and I have incorporated alternative
>>>>>>> techniques
>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>> my life. So personally, I consider myself as a well-adjusted blind
>>>>>>> person.
>>>>>>> At the same time though, I wouldn't want my sight back because, 
>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>> never had it, everything would be too much clutter for me. Also, I
>>>>>>> have my
>>>>>>> own pictures of visual things in my mind's eye, and I wouldn't
>>>>>>> want to
>>>>>>> ruin
>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My family and friends, who are sighted, tell me it is normal to have
>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>> feelings. But it would be great to get some feedback from my fellow
>>>>>>> Federationists.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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