[nfb-talk] Purpose of List

Sun Sep 16 06:25:51 UTC 2018

Hi all! 
 In my apponyon, it’s totally ok to talk about blindness on this list but we do have to mind its rules. However, I’m not against having a list that talks politics. However, I’m also not against having one on the NFB list serves and/or moving such discussions over to the ACB. I feel that there needs to be a place to have political discussions. However, I know that they can get heated. There is always that risk. But it’s all up to us to dare to take the risk or not. The same risk applies to religian and we totally have a few of those lists on the list serves. So, why not politics too? Where is the place for freedom of speech in the NFB list serves? So far, I haven’t compleetly seen it. But I have seen a lot of lists that applies to spasific topics within the NFB and blindness itself. I’m not knocking that either because I’m on a number of them and they are actually helpful. For example, I have found the science and ingenerring list as well as the math list and even the environmental list all very useful. But also, ask yourselves, “where is the right place for freedom of speech?” as you think about this one. 

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> On Sep 15, 2018, at 07:09, Jack Heim via nfb-talk <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Actually, James, and Dave will verify this, but I did ask him to create a list about politics on the NFB server. And I did offer to moderate it. So your criticism of me is invalid for that reason alone. But more importantly, I have every right to express my opinion on what the purpose of this list should be. I happen to hold the opinion that the purpose of this list should be changed. There is nothing unethical about me expressing that opinion.
> 
> In my opinion, these issues are way too important to be ignored. It's a shame that we at the NFB cannot gather to discuss them. I will readily admit that moderating such a list would be a difficult task but, first of all, I believe Dave is up to it. Secondly, i am willing to do it myself.
> 
> One more thing ... You cannot intimidate me, James. You are wasting your time trying.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 09/14/2018 11:18 PM, James Aldrich via nfb-talk wrote:
> > Hello Again all,
> >
> >
> > Steve, you said it well!
> >
> >
> > As for you Jack, until you start that shout list, you to me are a bunch of noise and that’s that!  You in time will prove whether you have substance or not!  You tell others how to run lists, let’s see you set up and run one!  So far, you to me are a bunch of noise!
> > Trump doesn’t have anything to do with it!  That’s all I’m going to say about this!
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Sep 14, 2018, at 9:28 PM, Steve Jacobson via nfb-talk <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Kaye,
> >
> > Just to be clear, the rules/purpose Dave was referring to is to limit
> > discussion to issues that are specific to blindness and the NFB.  The issues
> > surrounding the article regarding Donald Trump is important to all of us,
> > but it is not unique to blindness once we start arguing about who is most
> > biased.  If we found that Trump Towers still did not have braille and was
> > used by the public, there would be nothing wrong with discussing it.
> > Bringing the various articles to our attention was also probably within the
> > list's purpose.
> >
> > The thing is, I have already found myself disagreeing strongly with
> > viewpoints expressed during this discussion  by people with whom I have been
> > in agreement regarding issues of blindness.  There is nothing gained by
> > becoming polarized even on issues that are important and have our ability to
> > work together on blindness issues compromised.  There are those who would
> > love to have us fighting over the Washington Post or Trumps tweets rather
> > than getting subminimum wages stopped and improving employment
> > opportunities.  As much as we can, we have to keep centered on those things
> > we have in common that help blind people succeed.  That's was the list
> > purpose tries to encourage.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Steve Jacobson
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nfb-talk <nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of kaye zimpher via
> > nfb-talk
> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 4:59 PM
> > To: NFB Talk Mailing List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: kaye zimpher <kaye.j.zimpher at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Purpose of List
> >
> > I for one, and I know I am in the minority, would rather continue to follow
> > the rules of this list. Why would I want to join an ACB list when I have
> > clearly been an NFB member for going on 30 years. If the rules say we can't
> > talk about Trump on this list, then if I really wanted to talk about him
> > that much, which I don't, I'd create my own list of which I am sure there
> > are many. Be careful joining an ACB list because after the thrill of talking
> >
> > Politics is gone, you are left with some whose value structure may strongly
> > differ from our organizations.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jack Heim via nfb-talk" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: "Jack Heim" <john at johnheim.com>; "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 10:13 AM
> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Purpose of List
> >
> >
> >> In my opinion, if the rules say we can't talk about this stuff, then the
> >> rules should be changed. It seems to me that the people on this list want
> >> to talk about this stuff.  In fact, it seems to me that this is the only
> >> thing people on this list want to talk about. My rough guess is that there
> >
> >> has been more traffic on this list in the past 24 hours than in the past 2
> >
> >> or 3 months.
> >>
> >>> On 09/13/2018 10:05 PM, David Andrews via nfb-talk wrote:
> >>> Much of the conversation here today is off topic, and needs to stop.
> >>> People have strong feelings about President Trump, some for, some against
> >
> >>> etc. This list isn't the place to discuss them. Below is the published
> >>> purpose of this list. Please stop.
> >>>
> >>> David Andrews, Moderator
> >>>
> >>> The purpose of NFB Talk is to disseminate News and
> >>> information about the NFB and its activities. It is also
> >>> intended for the discussion of NFB's philosophy of blindness and
> >>> topics of specific interest to members of the National Federation
> >>> of the Blind and our friends as they relate to the NFB, our
> >>> policies, activities and philosophy.
> >>>
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