[nfbcs] Inaccessiable Training - again

Sun Feb 17 23:50:16 UTC 2013

Tracy get permition to bring some one in to work with you.  I have had to do 
this all that was required was that person had to sign an NDA.
.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Tracy Carcione
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 11:42 AM
To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Inaccessiable Training - again

David and Gabe, I'm sure we all know these points.  But, if the training is
just not accessible, I can spend all the time in the world looking at it,
and still be where I was when I started.  Now, I could possibly log in from
home and hire someone at home to do the mouse clicking.  That will work for
training that doesn't involve anything confidential.  Otherwise, if there's
no one at work who can help me, I'm S.O.L.
Tracy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "david hertweck" <david.hertweck at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Inaccessiable Training - again

> As a blind engineer and now a manager working for a large company I found 
> the best approach is:
> 1. Try and find a way to do your job, be creative, think out of the box, 
> make it work.
> 2. Put in extra hours.  I know a lot of sighted engineers if they are not 
> as effective as other people they put in the extra time so we should be 
> willing to do this.
> 3. Remember everyone has tasks to complete and completing yours can not 
> interfere with others.
> 4. Before asking for help have an exact plan for how can that person help 
> you.  What does not work is to ask someone to make "X" accessible for you.
> 5. Never "complain" find answers. It is super to "complain" in this forum 
> but not at work.
> 6. Always remember your manager most likely has more work and certainly 
> more responsibilities than you do, so you should never add to them for 
> accessibility problems.
> 7. Always remember you are there for the company not the company for you.
>
> thanks
>
>
>
>
> through out my work life
> and now as a manager of course they are not overwellming
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: majolls at cox.net
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 10:50 AM
> To: nfbcs at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Inaccessiable Training - again
>
> Gary and all
>
> I think you hit the nail on the head.  To what end do you "complain"?  If 
> you don't, you don't get anywhere.  And if you do (too much) you are 
> perceived as a burden ... and managers would rather not deal with you and 
> get someone else that doesn't have the requirement that you do.  I work 
> for a large corporation.  I found that while managers can be sympathetic, 
> others just don't care.  it really depends on your luck of the draw 
> regarding what manager you do get.
>
> I can remember voicing concern about sitting in a large room for a 
> presentation where they had big monitors up on the wall.  A presenter 
> would be running his demo, and the display was up on the "big screen". 
> Unfortunately, I couldn't read the big screen.  I was just too far away 
> and I'm just too blind.  When I voiced concern, what I mostly got was 
> "just do your best" ... which was absolutely no help.  I finally came up 
> with the idea ... "just run a data feed to a separate monitor that can be 
> placed on a table that I can sit close to".  That idea really worked, but 
> it took me ... not them ... to come up with the idea.  The managers ... 
> who are supposed to help you ... didn't have a clue what I needed, or what 
> might work.  And, if I complained too much, they just said ... "do your 
> best" and sort of turned a deaf ear.
>
> And as far as going to bat for you ... trying to get the application 
> changed so it's accessible ... I think most managers have priorities on 
> what they have to get done.  When you require someone to sit with you 
> (meaning time and money) or when you ask your manager to help you ... 
> they'll do it as long as it isn't excessive ... meaning as long as it 
> doesn't take a lot of time and money.  If it does, you're kind of on your 
> own.  And as far as them modifying software to be accessible ... that's 
> only an option if your company doesn't have a lot of other "business 
> requirements" they have to get done first.  Where I'm at, that's always 
> the case.
>
> I guess we all just need to be experts on Accessibility programming so we 
> can do it ourselves.  Wish I had better things to say, but I've only had 
> 35 years of experience in dealing with this.  And it doesn't sound like 
> the federal government is any better than private industry.  People 
> (managers) are people no matter where you go I suppose.
>
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