[nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives

Tue May 13 14:38:14 UTC 2014

hi,

no, he wasn't the one trying to generate friction.
it sounded like he was going to ask the company to install the nas into his 
desktop system.
Let's let him answer.
Bryan Schulz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives

> Brian,
>
> I didn't see the reason for your post that Peter was unaware of what a NAS 
> drive was either.  Sorry if you see
> trying to understand your post as argumentative.  <smile>  He has talked 
> about them in the past and seems to be
> aware of what they are, unless, of course, I don't understand what they 
> are which is possible.  <smile>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Mon, 12 May 2014 23:19:47 -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>
>>hi,
>
>>thought these lists were informational, not argumentative.
>>Bryan Schulz
>
>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Nicole Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>To: "'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List'" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 11:11 PM
>>Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives
>
>
>>> Just because he did not mention it does not mean they don't or that he
>>> does
>>> not plan for them to; people don't always include every detail. He did 
>>> not
>>> say that they would be taking the computers to the company either. The
>>> company does come to their customers. http://www.nerdz.com/
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
>>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:47 PM
>>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives
>>>
>>> hi,
>>>
>>> he didn't mention the company performing service at his home and said we
>>> will have them install...
>>> That hardware is not installed in a desktop computer and that won't be
>>> possible if he takes the tower to the repair company.
>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>
>>> Comptia A+
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Nicole Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>> To: "'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List'" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 10:29 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives
>>>
>>>
>>>> Why do you think that Peter is unaware of what a NAS drive is? He said 
>>>> in
>>>> house, not off network.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:06 PM
>>>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives
>>>>
>>>> Pete,
>>>>
>>>> It sounds like you are unaware of what a nas drive is.
>>>> A nas drive is network attached storage connected to your router and
>>>> configured by navigating a web site based interface instead of being
>>>> installed in your tower system.
>>>>
>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>> Comptia A+
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>>>> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:14 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello John and everyone,
>>>>
>>>>    We got unlucky and got lackey again. Computer Nerdz will love us.
>>>> They're a local computer instruction and repair company in San Antonio.
>>>> We
>>>> just received word that my brother-in-law will be sending us funds to
>>>> help
>>>> us with various issues including fixing Mary's computer for the second
>>>> time.
>>>> We also want to network our computers together so we only need to run
>>>> them
>>>> from a single cable connection. We'll also have them install a NAS 
>>>> drive
>>>> so
>>>> we can store all of our datafiles in one location and make them 
>>>> available
>>>> to
>>>> all of our machines. Storing them in house will allow us to reduce the
>>>> use
>>>> of an off-site backup service allowing us to tighten our belt and spend
>>>> money on more important things. Thanks again for the help.
>>>>
>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>
>>>> and
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "John HG. eim" <jheim at math.wisc.edu>
>>>> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:37 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, it's possible  that you just got unlucky. Most viruses are 
>>>> written
>>>> by
>>>> folks called "script kitties". Even that name gives them more credit 
>>>> than
>>>> they deserve because most of them couldn't script a for loop to count 
>>>> to
>>>> ten. They take code that is already out there and use tools to tweak 
>>>> it.
>>>> Why
>>>> would someone with the brains to do more than that mess with your
>>>> computer?
>>>> Maybe they want to get on your computer but they don't want you to know
>>>> it.
>>>> But more likely, they are spending their time trying to get into the
>>>> credit
>>>> card database of their favorite retailer. But maybe you just got 
>>>> unlucky.
>>>>
>>>> On May 12, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello John and everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>>   There are only two people that use that computer Mary and myself.
>>>>> We've
>>>>> been using computers for many years and never had problems like this
>>>>> until
>>>>
>>>>> January of this year. All of our machines have anty virus software on
>>>>> them
>>>>
>>>>> that is active at all times. We have Avask on the Windows XP machines
>>>>> and
>>>>> Microsoft Security Essentials on the Windows 7 machine the one with 
>>>>> the
>>>>> virus. Perhaps Avask does a better job of catching trogens and we 
>>>>> should
>>>>> have the repair folks install Avask on that machine as well. Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim" 
>>>>> <jheim at math.wisc.edu>
>>>>> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 10:35 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> You know that this kind of thing is usually, not always, caused by 
>>>>>> poor
>>>>>> internet hygene, right? How sure are you that everyone who uses that
>>>>>> machine knows how to avoid viruses? No anti-birus package is going to
>>>>>> keep you safe from viruses if the users are essentially choosing to
>>>>>> install them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Honestly, I don't even recall the last time I saw a Windows machine 
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> a
>>>>
>>>>>> virus where I wasn't able to pin it down to a deliberate action by 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> end-user to install the virus. Of course, they didn't think they were
>>>>>> installing a virus. We had several people get a virus a while ago
>>>>>> because
>>>>
>>>>>> it came up saying it had detected a virus on their computer, and they
>>>>>> should click this button to remove it. Of course, if they clicked the
>>>>>> button it actually installed the virus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Someone else on this list suggested you review your habits (or more
>>>>>> likely those of the other users of the computer). My opinion is that
>>>>>> that
>>>>
>>>>>> is the best suggestion you've gotten. Are they installing plugins 
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> unreliable sources? Running programs off a borrowed thumb drive? 
>>>>>> There
>>>>>> is
>>>>
>>>>>> no anti-virus program in the world that can protect you from that 
>>>>>> kind
>>>>>> of
>>>>
>>>>>> thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I once put a link on a web page that said, "Click here to install a
>>>>>> virus
>>>>
>>>>>> on your computer." Just to make sure people were appropriately 
>>>>>> scared,
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> put another link that said, "Click here and I'll show you the files 
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> your C: drive." That was just a file link to their C: drive. But it
>>>>>> should have scared anyone who didn't know how this stuff really 
>>>>>> works.
>>>>>> Even so, plenty of people clicked the virus link. Most 
>>>>>> virusdevelopers
>>>>>> aren't that obvious. It's possible you've just been unlucky and have
>>>>>> come
>>>>
>>>>>> across some particularly sophisticated virus developers. But most
>>>>>> likely,
>>>>
>>>>>> somebody who uses that computer isn't following good internet hygene
>>>>>> habits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 05/12/14 07:34, Peter Donahue wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello Brian and everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    We just reloaded windows on that machine 4 months ago. We will 
>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>> likely need to reload it again but are not willing to put up with 
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> machine being attacked and needing a complete system reload every 
>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>> we turn around. This wasn't a problem until January of this year.
>>>>>>> We'll
>>>>>>> need both a system reload and whatever software or patch Microsoft
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> have available to prevent "Computer" from being knocked out by 
>>>>>>> trogens
>>>>>>> in the future. We have far more important things to spend our money 
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> besides having to hire someone to reload computers attacked by 
>>>>>>> viruses
>>>>>>> and having to restore the data each time this happens. All the best.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Schulz"
>>>>>>> <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 3:14 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i have used a version of avg for years and never had an attack or
>>>>>>>> virus.
>>>>>>>> it would be cheaper to hire a neighbor to read the screens and
>>>>>>>> install
>>>>>>>> windows yourself.
>>>>>>>> you should be able to recognize a tech that wants to gouge you.
>>>>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Donahue"
>>>>>>>> <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Cc: <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 6:36 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good morning everyone,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   Before I head out of town for the weekend I want to find out 
>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>> file management  alternatives to Windows Explorer/My
>>>>>>>>> Computer/Computer that are accessible with screen reading systems.
>>>>>>>>> Back in January Mary's computer which runs Windows 7 was infected 
>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>> a trogen that took out "Computer." The infection was so bad that 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> entire machine needed to be reloaded. I find it hard to believe 
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> Microsoft would not be a ware of this trogen vulnerability and 
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> have released a patch to correct the problem. The company that
>>>>>>>>> reloaded the computer installed Microsoft Security Essentials on 
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure if this package will scan and remove trogens.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   It has been four months since the last infection and it's
>>>>>>>>> happening again. It looks like we're in for another system reload 
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> get rid of this one and will most likely be set back another
>>>>>>>>> $500.00.
>>>>>>>>> We can't keep going through this every so often. There are two
>>>>>>>>> questions we have for you all. 1. Which antivirus package is the
>>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>>> at protecting one's machine from trogen infections particularly
>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>> that attack the OS. 2. In the event this should happen again we 
>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>> to know if there are file management alternatives to My
>>>>>>>>> Computer/Windows Explorer that will run under Windows 7 we could
>>>>>>>>> install as a backup program should another infection occur?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   Your suggestions for a permanent fix will be very much
>>>>>>>>> appreciated. I'll also be in touch with Microsoft next week so 
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> can remote on to that machine to see for themselves what's going 
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> in the hopes they can fix it without having to reload the entire
>>>>>>>>> thing again. As if we have tons of bucks to spend on computer
>>>>>>>>> repairs
>>>>>>>>> every time we turn around. Sorry for this tone but this is really
>>>>>>>>> annoying when you have other issues to address such as a guide dog
>>>>>>>>> being over-due for routine veterinary care and help isn't
>>>>>>>>> fourth-coming not even from the guide dog school. Otherwise Mary's
>>>>>>>>> computer is usable. We've discovered some work-arounds to deal 
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> file management issues until this situation can be remedied
>>>>>>>>> hopefully
>>>>>>>>> permanently. Interestingly enough we have not had this trouble 
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> our Windows XP machines. Go figure Microsoft!All the best. I'm off
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> Camp Tejas for the weekend.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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