[nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives

Tue May 13 14:09:36 UTC 2014

Brian,

I didn't see the reason for your post that Peter was unaware of what a NAS drive was either.  Sorry if you see 
trying to understand your post as argumentative.  <smile>  He has talked about them in the past and seems to be 
aware of what they are, unless, of course, I don't understand what they are which is possible.  <smile>

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Mon, 12 May 2014 23:19:47 -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:

>hi,

>thought these lists were informational, not argumentative.
>Bryan Schulz

>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Nicole Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>To: "'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List'" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 11:11 PM
>Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives

>> Just because he did not mention it does not mean they don't or that he 
>> does
>> not plan for them to; people don't always include every detail. He did not
>> say that they would be taking the computers to the company either. The
>> company does come to their customers. http://www.nerdz.com/
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:47 PM
>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> he didn't mention the company performing service at his home and said we
>> will have them install...
>> That hardware is not installed in a desktop computer and that won't be
>> possible if he takes the tower to the repair company.
>> Bryan Schulz
>>
>> Comptia A+
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Nicole Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>> To: "'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List'" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 10:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives
>>
>>
>>> Why do you think that Peter is unaware of what a NAS drive is? He said in
>>> house, not off network.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
>>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:06 PM
>>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives
>>>
>>> Pete,
>>>
>>> It sounds like you are unaware of what a nas drive is.
>>> A nas drive is network attached storage connected to your router and
>>> configured by navigating a web site based interface instead of being
>>> installed in your tower system.
>>>
>>> Bryan Schulz
>>> Comptia A+
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>>> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:14 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello John and everyone,
>>>
>>>    We got unlucky and got lackey again. Computer Nerdz will love us.
>>> They're a local computer instruction and repair company in San Antonio. 
>>> We
>>> just received word that my brother-in-law will be sending us funds to 
>>> help
>>> us with various issues including fixing Mary's computer for the second
>>> time.
>>> We also want to network our computers together so we only need to run 
>>> them
>>> from a single cable connection. We'll also have them install a NAS drive
>>> so
>>> we can store all of our datafiles in one location and make them available
>>> to
>>> all of our machines. Storing them in house will allow us to reduce the 
>>> use
>>> of an off-site backup service allowing us to tighten our belt and spend
>>> money on more important things. Thanks again for the help.
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>> and
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "John HG. eim" <jheim at math.wisc.edu>
>>> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:37 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, it's possible  that you just got unlucky. Most viruses are written
>>> by
>>> folks called "script kitties". Even that name gives them more credit than
>>> they deserve because most of them couldn't script a for loop to count to
>>> ten. They take code that is already out there and use tools to tweak it.
>>> Why
>>> would someone with the brains to do more than that mess with your
>>> computer?
>>> Maybe they want to get on your computer but they don't want you to know
>>> it.
>>> But more likely, they are spending their time trying to get into the
>>> credit
>>> card database of their favorite retailer. But maybe you just got unlucky.
>>>
>>> On May 12, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello John and everyone,
>>>>
>>>>   There are only two people that use that computer Mary and myself. 
>>>> We've
>>>> been using computers for many years and never had problems like this
>>>> until
>>>
>>>> January of this year. All of our machines have anty virus software on
>>>> them
>>>
>>>> that is active at all times. We have Avask on the Windows XP machines 
>>>> and
>>>> Microsoft Security Essentials on the Windows 7 machine the one with the
>>>> virus. Perhaps Avask does a better job of catching trogens and we should
>>>> have the repair folks install Avask on that machine as well. Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim" <jheim at math.wisc.edu>
>>>> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 10:35 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You know that this kind of thing is usually, not always, caused by poor
>>>>> internet hygene, right? How sure are you that everyone who uses that
>>>>> machine knows how to avoid viruses? No anti-birus package is going to
>>>>> keep you safe from viruses if the users are essentially choosing to
>>>>> install them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Honestly, I don't even recall the last time I saw a Windows machine get
>>>>> a
>>>
>>>>> virus where I wasn't able to pin it down to a deliberate action by the
>>>>> end-user to install the virus. Of course, they didn't think they were
>>>>> installing a virus. We had several people get a virus a while ago
>>>>> because
>>>
>>>>> it came up saying it had detected a virus on their computer, and they
>>>>> should click this button to remove it. Of course, if they clicked the
>>>>> button it actually installed the virus.
>>>>>
>>>>> Someone else on this list suggested you review your habits (or more
>>>>> likely those of the other users of the computer). My opinion is that
>>>>> that
>>>
>>>>> is the best suggestion you've gotten. Are they installing plugins from
>>>>> unreliable sources? Running programs off a borrowed thumb drive? There
>>>>> is
>>>
>>>>> no anti-virus program in the world that can protect you from that kind
>>>>> of
>>>
>>>>> thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> I once put a link on a web page that said, "Click here to install a
>>>>> virus
>>>
>>>>> on your computer." Just to make sure people were appropriately scared, 
>>>>> I
>>>>> put another link that said, "Click here and I'll show you the files on
>>>>> your C: drive." That was just a file link to their C: drive. But it
>>>>> should have scared anyone who didn't know how this stuff really works.
>>>>> Even so, plenty of people clicked the virus link. Most virusdevelopers
>>>>> aren't that obvious. It's possible you've just been unlucky and have
>>>>> come
>>>
>>>>> across some particularly sophisticated virus developers. But most
>>>>> likely,
>>>
>>>>> somebody who uses that computer isn't following good internet hygene
>>>>> habits.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 05/12/14 07:34, Peter Donahue wrote:
>>>>>> Hello Brian and everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    We just reloaded windows on that machine 4 months ago. We will most
>>>>>> likely need to reload it again but are not willing to put up with that
>>>>>> machine being attacked and needing a complete system reload every time
>>>>>> we turn around. This wasn't a problem until January of this year. 
>>>>>> We'll
>>>>>> need both a system reload and whatever software or patch Microsoft 
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> have available to prevent "Computer" from being knocked out by trogens
>>>>>> in the future. We have far more important things to spend our money on
>>>>>> besides having to hire someone to reload computers attacked by viruses
>>>>>> and having to restore the data each time this happens. All the best.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Schulz"
>>>>>> <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 3:14 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i have used a version of avg for years and never had an attack or
>>>>>>> virus.
>>>>>>> it would be cheaper to hire a neighbor to read the screens and 
>>>>>>> install
>>>>>>> windows yourself.
>>>>>>> you should be able to recognize a tech that wants to gouge you.
>>>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Donahue"
>>>>>>> <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Cc: <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 6:36 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good morning everyone,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Before I head out of town for the weekend I want to find out which
>>>>>>>> file management  alternatives to Windows Explorer/My
>>>>>>>> Computer/Computer that are accessible with screen reading systems.
>>>>>>>> Back in January Mary's computer which runs Windows 7 was infected by
>>>>>>>> a trogen that took out "Computer." The infection was so bad that the
>>>>>>>> entire machine needed to be reloaded. I find it hard to believe that
>>>>>>>> Microsoft would not be a ware of this trogen vulnerability and would
>>>>>>>> have released a patch to correct the problem. The company that
>>>>>>>> reloaded the computer installed Microsoft Security Essentials on it
>>>>>>>> I'm not sure if this package will scan and remove trogens.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   It has been four months since the last infection and it's
>>>>>>>> happening again. It looks like we're in for another system reload to
>>>>>>>> get rid of this one and will most likely be set back another 
>>>>>>>> $500.00.
>>>>>>>> We can't keep going through this every so often. There are two
>>>>>>>> questions we have for you all. 1. Which antivirus package is the 
>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>> at protecting one's machine from trogen infections particularly 
>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>> that attack the OS. 2. In the event this should happen again we want
>>>>>>>> to know if there are file management alternatives to My
>>>>>>>> Computer/Windows Explorer that will run under Windows 7 we could
>>>>>>>> install as a backup program should another infection occur?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Your suggestions for a permanent fix will be very much
>>>>>>>> appreciated. I'll also be in touch with Microsoft next week so they
>>>>>>>> can remote on to that machine to see for themselves what's going on
>>>>>>>> in the hopes they can fix it without having to reload the entire
>>>>>>>> thing again. As if we have tons of bucks to spend on computer 
>>>>>>>> repairs
>>>>>>>> every time we turn around. Sorry for this tone but this is really
>>>>>>>> annoying when you have other issues to address such as a guide dog
>>>>>>>> being over-due for routine veterinary care and help isn't
>>>>>>>> fourth-coming not even from the guide dog school. Otherwise Mary's
>>>>>>>> computer is usable. We've discovered some work-arounds to deal with
>>>>>>>> file management issues until this situation can be remedied 
>>>>>>>> hopefully
>>>>>>>> permanently. Interestingly enough we have not had this trouble with
>>>>>>>> our Windows XP machines. Go figure Microsoft!All the best. I'm off 
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> Camp Tejas for the weekend.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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