[nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request

Thu May 22 00:49:06 UTC 2014

I ssh from my Windows laptop to a Linux desktop. I use Cygwin, which is a
little hard to get installed, but it works well once installed. To the best
of my knowledge, none of the commandlines work perfectly with JAWS, but
Cygwin works better than some.

-----Original Message-----
From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sedmak via
nfbcs
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 5:45 PM
To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request

Do you use a Windows ssh client?  I have been using teraterm myself. 

Thanks,
Mike

Sent from my iPhone, please forgive the typos. 

> On May 21, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Nicole Torcolini via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> If you decide to take the ssh route, I can also answer questions as I 
> do it every day at work.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Barbour 
> via nfbcs
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 6:53 AM
> To: Ian C. Bray via nfbcs
> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request
> 
> I'm not John, but I do use Linux/UNIX daily and have a few points to make.
> 
> First, Orca is not as stable as JAWS, Window Eyes, or voiceover.  It 
> keeps getting worked on, and I would call it usable, but you'll have 
> to get used to more crashes, hangs, inconsistant behavior, etc.
> 
> However, much of what gets done in Linux can be done from inside a 
> terminal
> -- think of a fancier cmd.exe window.
> 
> If you figure out that what you need linux for can be done from the 
> command line, this opens up two other options for you.
> 
> First, you can find out if your linux box allows incoming ssh connections.
> ssh is a method for accessing other, most UNIX like, hosts.
> 
> If your linux box allows incoming ssh connections, or if you can 
> enable them, then you can install an ssh client on your windows 
> machine and use jaws plus your ssh client to access your linux box.
> You can have as many ssh sessions opened as you like, meaning you can 
> do many tasks at once.
> 
> Second, you can configure your linux box to not run X-windows, and 
> instead just run a terminal based screen reader.  There are two that I
know of.
> Terminal based screen readers operate directly within the terminal, 
> behaving like DOS screen readers from 30 years ago.  Your keystrokes 
> get echoed, your output gets read to you, you can use review cursors 
> to explore the screen, you can use programs that divide your physical 
> screen into several logical ones, so you can do multiple things at once,
etc.
> 
> If any of this sounds interesting to you, feel free to ask about them 
> here and one of us can tell you more.
> 
> Take Care,
> 
> Jim
> 
>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 09:10:17AM -0400, Ian  C. Bray via nfbcs wrote:
>> John,
>> 
>> Is there a huge learning curve?
>> I'm a JAWS user, but know nothing of ORCA and your suggeted reader.
>> Are ORCA & Yours similar to operate??
>> 
>> Ian
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim via nfbcs"
>> <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 1:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request
>> 
>> 
>>> In my opinion, the best talking distro out there is sonar linux. I 
>>> don't know the URL, you can google that though. I was so impressed 
>>> with sonar I installed it on my machine at home. And I do linux 
>>> support for a living. I have not tried the latest version though.
>>> They recently switched from basing their distro on linux to basing 
>>> it on arch (I think).
>>> 
>>> If you need something based on ubuntu, you can try vinux.
>>> 
>>> There is currently a huge debate going on on the orca list about 
>>> standardizing the key bindings to make it easier for users to switch 
>>> from Windows to linux. It has gotten heated enough that I took 
>>> myself off the list for a while. But I can virtually guarantee that 
>>> there will be no changes. I was about the only one who even seemed 
>>> to think it was worth considering. I'll admit that it would be wrong 
>>> to change the orca keys to be like those of jaws. What I would hope 
>>> for, though, it to get people to agree that if some standardization 
>>> could be done, it would be a good thing. People won't even go for 
>>> that. It's
> ridiculous, IMO.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 17, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Ian C. Bray via nfbcs wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Is there anyone out there who can help me get an UBUNTU  box 
>>>> started so that it has some varriant of speech that functions 
>>>> simillarly to JAWS?
>>>> 
>>>> I-- have no idea where to start with this.
>>>> 
>>>> Tami Jarvis spoke to me about ORCA-- and I have only been diving 
>>>> into my own SEMI-Professional Accessibility Needs recently.
>>>> 
>>>> I have an ancient LAPTOP with 12.8 LTS on it, and I would like to 
>>>> get back to my Unix / Linux Tinkering.
>>>> 
>>>> Mentorship & off-line phone conversations & EMail Groups / 
>>>> Listservs welcome.
>>>> I do not do well in forums-- but I'm not saying I won't try.
>>>> 
>>>> Respectfully,
>>>> 
>>>> Ian  C. Bray
>>>> Louisville, KY
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