[nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request

Fri May 30 02:15:52 UTC 2014

I have used CRT for yearz!
If anyone knows why I shouldn't use it, I'd appreciate
your data & findings.
I honestly want to use whatever is less buggy & will allow me to get back to 
my unix boxes...
Ian

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Sedmak via nfbcs" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request

> Do you use a Windows ssh client?  I have been using teraterm myself.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone, please forgive the typos.
>
>> On May 21, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Nicole Torcolini via nfbcs 
>> <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> If you decide to take the ssh route, I can also answer questions as I do 
>> it
>> every day at work.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Barbour 
>> via
>> nfbcs
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 6:53 AM
>> To: Ian C. Bray via nfbcs
>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request
>>
>> I'm not John, but I do use Linux/UNIX daily and have a few points to 
>> make.
>>
>> First, Orca is not as stable as JAWS, Window Eyes, or voiceover.  It 
>> keeps
>> getting worked on, and I would call it usable, but you'll have to get 
>> used
>> to more crashes, hangs, inconsistant behavior, etc.
>>
>> However, much of what gets done in Linux can be done from inside a 
>> terminal
>> -- think of a fancier cmd.exe window.
>>
>> If you figure out that what you need linux for can be done from the 
>> command
>> line, this opens up two other options for you.
>>
>> First, you can find out if your linux box allows incoming ssh 
>> connections.
>> ssh is a method for accessing other, most UNIX like, hosts.
>>
>> If your linux box allows incoming ssh connections, or if you can enable
>> them, then you can install an ssh client on your windows machine and use
>> jaws plus your ssh client to access your linux box.
>> You can have as many ssh sessions opened as you like, meaning you can do
>> many tasks at once.
>>
>> Second, you can configure your linux box to not run X-windows, and 
>> instead
>> just run a terminal based screen reader.  There are two that I know of.
>> Terminal based screen readers operate directly within the terminal, 
>> behaving
>> like DOS screen readers from 30 years ago.  Your keystrokes get echoed, 
>> your
>> output gets read to you, you can use review cursors to explore the 
>> screen,
>> you can use programs that divide your physical screen into several 
>> logical
>> ones, so you can do multiple things at once, etc.
>>
>> If any of this sounds interesting to you, feel free to ask about them 
>> here
>> and one of us can tell you more.
>>
>> Take Care,
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 09:10:17AM -0400, Ian  C. Bray via nfbcs wrote:
>>> John,
>>>
>>> Is there a huge learning curve?
>>> I'm a JAWS user, but know nothing of ORCA and your suggeted reader.
>>> Are ORCA & Yours similar to operate??
>>>
>>> Ian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim via nfbcs"
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>>> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 1:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request
>>>
>>>
>>>> In my opinion, the best talking distro out there is sonar linux. I
>>>> don't know the URL, you can google that though. I was so impressed
>>>> with sonar I installed it on my machine at home. And I do linux
>>>> support for a living. I have not tried the latest version though.
>>>> They recently switched from basing their distro on linux to basing it
>>>> on arch (I think).
>>>>
>>>> If you need something based on ubuntu, you can try vinux.
>>>>
>>>> There is currently a huge debate going on on the orca list about
>>>> standardizing the key bindings to make it easier for users to switch
>>>> from Windows to linux. It has gotten heated enough that I took myself
>>>> off the list for a while. But I can virtually guarantee that there
>>>> will be no changes. I was about the only one who even seemed to think
>>>> it was worth considering. I'll admit that it would be wrong to change
>>>> the orca keys to be like those of jaws. What I would hope for,
>>>> though, it to get people to agree that if some standardization could
>>>> be done, it would be a good thing. People won't even go for that. It's
>> ridiculous, IMO.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On May 17, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Ian C. Bray via nfbcs wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there anyone out there who can help me get an UBUNTU  box started
>>>>> so that it has some varriant of speech that functions simillarly to
>>>>> JAWS?
>>>>>
>>>>> I-- have no idea where to start with this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tami Jarvis spoke to me about ORCA-- and I have only been diving
>>>>> into my own SEMI-Professional Accessibility Needs recently.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have an ancient LAPTOP with 12.8 LTS on it, and I would like to
>>>>> get back to my Unix / Linux Tinkering.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mentorship & off-line phone conversations & EMail Groups / Listservs
>>>>> welcome.
>>>>> I do not do well in forums-- but I'm not saying I won't try.
>>>>>
>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ian  C. Bray
>>>>> Louisville, KY
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