[nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request

Fri May 30 04:35:12 UTC 2014

I was mistaken-- I usePUTTY instead of Secure CRT.
It's compact, and I can usually get it on a thumb drive with any / all of my 
special terminal quirky things I like.

Ian

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Littlefield, Tyler via nfbcs" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request

> I've wanted to use cygwin for a while, just haven't had the time to set it 
> up--I'm looking for something that will actually allow me to edit in the 
> shell (preferably through emacs). Right now I use Secure CRT (a really old 
> version) and WinSCP for editing.
> On 5/21/2014 8:49 PM, Nicole Torcolini via nfbcs wrote:
>> I ssh from my Windows laptop to a Linux desktop. I use Cygwin, which is a
>> little hard to get installed, but it works well once installed. To the 
>> best
>> of my knowledge, none of the commandlines work perfectly with JAWS, but
>> Cygwin works better than some.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sedmak 
>> via
>> nfbcs
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 5:45 PM
>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request
>>
>> Do you use a Windows ssh client?  I have been using teraterm myself.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone, please forgive the typos.
>>
>>> On May 21, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Nicole Torcolini via nfbcs 
>>> <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>> If you decide to take the ssh route, I can also answer questions as I
>>> do it every day at work.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Barbour
>>> via nfbcs
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 6:53 AM
>>> To: Ian C. Bray via nfbcs
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request
>>>
>>> I'm not John, but I do use Linux/UNIX daily and have a few points to 
>>> make.
>>>
>>> First, Orca is not as stable as JAWS, Window Eyes, or voiceover.  It
>>> keeps getting worked on, and I would call it usable, but you'll have
>>> to get used to more crashes, hangs, inconsistant behavior, etc.
>>>
>>> However, much of what gets done in Linux can be done from inside a
>>> terminal
>>> -- think of a fancier cmd.exe window.
>>>
>>> If you figure out that what you need linux for can be done from the
>>> command line, this opens up two other options for you.
>>>
>>> First, you can find out if your linux box allows incoming ssh 
>>> connections.
>>> ssh is a method for accessing other, most UNIX like, hosts.
>>>
>>> If your linux box allows incoming ssh connections, or if you can
>>> enable them, then you can install an ssh client on your windows
>>> machine and use jaws plus your ssh client to access your linux box.
>>> You can have as many ssh sessions opened as you like, meaning you can
>>> do many tasks at once.
>>>
>>> Second, you can configure your linux box to not run X-windows, and
>>> instead just run a terminal based screen reader.  There are two that I
>> know of.
>>> Terminal based screen readers operate directly within the terminal,
>>> behaving like DOS screen readers from 30 years ago.  Your keystrokes
>>> get echoed, your output gets read to you, you can use review cursors
>>> to explore the screen, you can use programs that divide your physical
>>> screen into several logical ones, so you can do multiple things at once,
>> etc.
>>> If any of this sounds interesting to you, feel free to ask about them
>>> here and one of us can tell you more.
>>>
>>> Take Care,
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 09:10:17AM -0400, Ian  C. Bray via nfbcs wrote:
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>> Is there a huge learning curve?
>>>> I'm a JAWS user, but know nothing of ORCA and your suggeted reader.
>>>> Are ORCA & Yours similar to operate??
>>>>
>>>> Ian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim via nfbcs"
>>>> <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 1:49 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In my opinion, the best talking distro out there is sonar linux. I
>>>>> don't know the URL, you can google that though. I was so impressed
>>>>> with sonar I installed it on my machine at home. And I do linux
>>>>> support for a living. I have not tried the latest version though.
>>>>> They recently switched from basing their distro on linux to basing
>>>>> it on arch (I think).
>>>>>
>>>>> If you need something based on ubuntu, you can try vinux.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is currently a huge debate going on on the orca list about
>>>>> standardizing the key bindings to make it easier for users to switch
>>>>> from Windows to linux. It has gotten heated enough that I took
>>>>> myself off the list for a while. But I can virtually guarantee that
>>>>> there will be no changes. I was about the only one who even seemed
>>>>> to think it was worth considering. I'll admit that it would be wrong
>>>>> to change the orca keys to be like those of jaws. What I would hope
>>>>> for, though, it to get people to agree that if some standardization
>>>>> could be done, it would be a good thing. People won't even go for
>>>>> that. It's
>>> ridiculous, IMO.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 17, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Ian C. Bray via nfbcs wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there anyone out there who can help me get an UBUNTU  box
>>>>>> started so that it has some varriant of speech that functions
>>>>>> simillarly to JAWS?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I-- have no idea where to start with this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tami Jarvis spoke to me about ORCA-- and I have only been diving
>>>>>> into my own SEMI-Professional Accessibility Needs recently.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have an ancient LAPTOP with 12.8 LTS on it, and I would like to
>>>>>> get back to my Unix / Linux Tinkering.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mentorship & off-line phone conversations & EMail Groups /
>>>>>> Listservs welcome.
>>>>>> I do not do well in forums-- but I'm not saying I won't try.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ian  C. Bray
>>>>>> Louisville, KY
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