[nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request

Sat May 31 10:05:15 UTC 2014

I have always had trouble with JAWS finding putty's cursor.  SecureCRT
(http://www.vandyke.com/products/securecrt) works well with JAWS 15.0.9023.
A braille display makes things much more efficient. 

Regards
Louis Maher
Phone 713-444-7838
E-mail ljmaher at swbell.net

-----Original Message-----
From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ian C. Bray via
nfbcs
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 10:15 PM
To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request

Ty,

I have never had any SSH client working with speech.
I only lost my sight 19 months ago, and am trying to figure out how I can
get back to my Linux Boxes.
I was mistaken when I said I used CRT.  I used PuTTY because it was free,
secure as heck, and I could put all of my configs on a FLOPPY at the time.
It also worked from any thumbdrive etc.

I can't even get JAWS 13 to read a command prompt without bugging out.

I'm stuck.

Ian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Littlefield, Tyler via nfbcs" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request

> Hello:
> I like CRT, but I couldn't ever get Jaws to track the cursor well enough 
> to use either emacs or vi. How did you pull this off?
> On 5/22/2014 4:15 AM, William Grussenmeyer via nfbcs wrote:
>> I used secureCRT and emacs/vi on the command line in Linux for my
>> masters in CS... I progrrrammed a whole operating system + a CPU data
>> path along with a bunch of other thigns in it.  I don't know much
>> about systems administration in it though.  I know some systems admins
>> use a lot of GUI tools.  Although I had one IT guy who is sighted tell
>> me that any admin worth his salt uses ssh and the command line.  ALso,
>> I hate orca.
>>
>> On 5/21/14, Littlefield, Tyler via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> I've wanted to use cygwin for a while, just haven't had the time to set
>>> it up--I'm looking for something that will actually allow me to edit in
>>> the shell (preferably through emacs). Right now I use Secure CRT (a
>>> really old version) and WinSCP for editing.
>>> On 5/21/2014 8:49 PM, Nicole Torcolini via nfbcs wrote:
>>>> I ssh from my Windows laptop to a Linux desktop. I use Cygwin, which is

>>>> a
>>>> little hard to get installed, but it works well once installed. To the
>>>> best
>>>> of my knowledge, none of the commandlines work perfectly with JAWS, but
>>>> Cygwin works better than some.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sedmak
>>>> via
>>>> nfbcs
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 5:45 PM
>>>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request
>>>>
>>>> Do you use a Windows ssh client?  I have been using teraterm myself.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone, please forgive the typos.
>>>>
>>>>> On May 21, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Nicole Torcolini via nfbcs
>>>>> <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> If you decide to take the ssh route, I can also answer questions as I
>>>>> do it every day at work.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Barbour
>>>>> via nfbcs
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 6:53 AM
>>>>> To: Ian C. Bray via nfbcs
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not John, but I do use Linux/UNIX daily and have a few points to
>>>>> make.
>>>>>
>>>>> First, Orca is not as stable as JAWS, Window Eyes, or voiceover.  It
>>>>> keeps getting worked on, and I would call it usable, but you'll have
>>>>> to get used to more crashes, hangs, inconsistant behavior, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, much of what gets done in Linux can be done from inside a
>>>>> terminal
>>>>> -- think of a fancier cmd.exe window.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you figure out that what you need linux for can be done from the
>>>>> command line, this opens up two other options for you.
>>>>>
>>>>> First, you can find out if your linux box allows incoming ssh
>>>>> connections.
>>>>> ssh is a method for accessing other, most UNIX like, hosts.
>>>>>
>>>>> If your linux box allows incoming ssh connections, or if you can
>>>>> enable them, then you can install an ssh client on your windows
>>>>> machine and use jaws plus your ssh client to access your linux box.
>>>>> You can have as many ssh sessions opened as you like, meaning you can
>>>>> do many tasks at once.
>>>>>
>>>>> Second, you can configure your linux box to not run X-windows, and
>>>>> instead just run a terminal based screen reader.  There are two that I
>>>> know of.
>>>>> Terminal based screen readers operate directly within the terminal,
>>>>> behaving like DOS screen readers from 30 years ago.  Your keystrokes
>>>>> get echoed, your output gets read to you, you can use review cursors
>>>>> to explore the screen, you can use programs that divide your physical
>>>>> screen into several logical ones, so you can do multiple things at 
>>>>> once,
>>>> etc.
>>>>> If any of this sounds interesting to you, feel free to ask about them
>>>>> here and one of us can tell you more.
>>>>>
>>>>> Take Care,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 09:10:17AM -0400, Ian  C. Bray via nfbcs 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a huge learning curve?
>>>>>> I'm a JAWS user, but know nothing of ORCA and your suggeted reader.
>>>>>> Are ORCA & Yours similar to operate??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ian
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim via nfbcs"
>>>>>> <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 1:49 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In my opinion, the best talking distro out there is sonar linux. I
>>>>>>> don't know the URL, you can google that though. I was so impressed
>>>>>>> with sonar I installed it on my machine at home. And I do linux
>>>>>>> support for a living. I have not tried the latest version though.
>>>>>>> They recently switched from basing their distro on linux to basing
>>>>>>> it on arch (I think).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you need something based on ubuntu, you can try vinux.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is currently a huge debate going on on the orca list about
>>>>>>> standardizing the key bindings to make it easier for users to switch
>>>>>>> from Windows to linux. It has gotten heated enough that I took
>>>>>>> myself off the list for a while. But I can virtually guarantee that
>>>>>>> there will be no changes. I was about the only one who even seemed
>>>>>>> to think it was worth considering. I'll admit that it would be wrong
>>>>>>> to change the orca keys to be like those of jaws. What I would hope
>>>>>>> for, though, it to get people to agree that if some standardization
>>>>>>> could be done, it would be a good thing. People won't even go for
>>>>>>> that. It's
>>>>> ridiculous, IMO.
>>>>>>>> On May 17, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Ian C. Bray via nfbcs wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there anyone out there who can help me get an UBUNTU  box
>>>>>>>> started so that it has some varriant of speech that functions
>>>>>>>> simillarly to JAWS?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I-- have no idea where to start with this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tami Jarvis spoke to me about ORCA-- and I have only been diving
>>>>>>>> into my own SEMI-Professional Accessibility Needs recently.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have an ancient LAPTOP with 12.8 LTS on it, and I would like to
>>>>>>>> get back to my Unix / Linux Tinkering.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mentorship & off-line phone conversations & EMail Groups /
>>>>>>>> Listservs welcome.
>>>>>>>> I do not do well in forums-- but I'm not saying I won't try.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ian  C. Bray
>>>>>>>> Louisville, KY
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>>> Ty
>>> http://tds-solutions.net
>>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he 
>>> that
>>> dares not reason is a slave.
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