[nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request

Fri May 30 14:09:54 UTC 2014

Curious what made you not like Cygwin. I don't use the default shell,
partly because subprocesses (Lynx for instance) change the window
title in that one. I use tcsh instead, which is also part of Cygwin;
though I don't remember if it comes with the default setup or if you
have to ask for it when selecting packages.

On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 06:54:26AM -0700, NFBCS mailing list wrote:
I don't like Sigwin so much.  I tried it and I don't like it.  Ive
used jaws with putty and secreCRT and the bash command line
successfully.  I use  either VI or emacs although emacs is a bit
difficult.  If I remember correctly you cant use the jaws movement
keys with emacs but instead you need to use the macs movement keys to
move around the screen.  ALso, emacs likes to jump to the next blank
character after a word when moving from next word to next word.  Jaws
then cant read the word you just jumped too.  It just says blank.  You
can easily make a jaws script though to move back a character when
hitting that particular key combo and then forcing jaws to read the
word.  That is what I did.  I had no problems with VI and bash though.
 Worked fine.

On 5/29/14, Ian  C. Bray via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I was mistaken-- I usePUTTY instead of Secure CRT.
> It's compact, and I can usually get it on a thumb drive with any / all of my
>
> special terminal quirky things I like.
>
> Ian
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Littlefield, Tyler via nfbcs" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request
>
>
>> I've wanted to use cygwin for a while, just haven't had the time to set it
>>
>> up--I'm looking for something that will actually allow me to edit in the
>> shell (preferably through emacs). Right now I use Secure CRT (a really old
>>
>> version) and WinSCP for editing.
>> On 5/21/2014 8:49 PM, Nicole Torcolini via nfbcs wrote:
>>> I ssh from my Windows laptop to a Linux desktop. I use Cygwin, which is
>>> a
>>> little hard to get installed, but it works well once installed. To the
>>> best
>>> of my knowledge, none of the commandlines work perfectly with JAWS, but
>>> Cygwin works better than some.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sedmak
>>> via
>>> nfbcs
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 5:45 PM
>>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request
>>>
>>> Do you use a Windows ssh client?  I have been using teraterm myself.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone, please forgive the typos.
>>>
>>>> On May 21, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Nicole Torcolini via nfbcs
>>>> <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> If you decide to take the ssh route, I can also answer questions as I
>>>> do it every day at work.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Barbour
>>>> via nfbcs
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 6:53 AM
>>>> To: Ian C. Bray via nfbcs
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request
>>>>
>>>> I'm not John, but I do use Linux/UNIX daily and have a few points to
>>>> make.
>>>>
>>>> First, Orca is not as stable as JAWS, Window Eyes, or voiceover.  It
>>>> keeps getting worked on, and I would call it usable, but you'll have
>>>> to get used to more crashes, hangs, inconsistant behavior, etc.
>>>>
>>>> However, much of what gets done in Linux can be done from inside a
>>>> terminal
>>>> -- think of a fancier cmd.exe window.
>>>>
>>>> If you figure out that what you need linux for can be done from the
>>>> command line, this opens up two other options for you.
>>>>
>>>> First, you can find out if your linux box allows incoming ssh
>>>> connections.
>>>> ssh is a method for accessing other, most UNIX like, hosts.
>>>>
>>>> If your linux box allows incoming ssh connections, or if you can
>>>> enable them, then you can install an ssh client on your windows
>>>> machine and use jaws plus your ssh client to access your linux box.
>>>> You can have as many ssh sessions opened as you like, meaning you can
>>>> do many tasks at once.
>>>>
>>>> Second, you can configure your linux box to not run X-windows, and
>>>> instead just run a terminal based screen reader.  There are two that I
>>> know of.
>>>> Terminal based screen readers operate directly within the terminal,
>>>> behaving like DOS screen readers from 30 years ago.  Your keystrokes
>>>> get echoed, your output gets read to you, you can use review cursors
>>>> to explore the screen, you can use programs that divide your physical
>>>> screen into several logical ones, so you can do multiple things at
>>>> once,
>>> etc.
>>>> If any of this sounds interesting to you, feel free to ask about them
>>>> here and one of us can tell you more.
>>>>
>>>> Take Care,
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 09:10:17AM -0400, Ian  C. Bray via nfbcs
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> John,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a huge learning curve?
>>>>> I'm a JAWS user, but know nothing of ORCA and your suggeted reader.
>>>>> Are ORCA & Yours similar to operate??
>>>>>
>>>>> Ian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim via nfbcs"
>>>>> <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 1:49 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> In my opinion, the best talking distro out there is sonar linux. I
>>>>>> don't know the URL, you can google that though. I was so impressed
>>>>>> with sonar I installed it on my machine at home. And I do linux
>>>>>> support for a living. I have not tried the latest version though.
>>>>>> They recently switched from basing their distro on linux to basing
>>>>>> it on arch (I think).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you need something based on ubuntu, you can try vinux.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is currently a huge debate going on on the orca list about
>>>>>> standardizing the key bindings to make it easier for users to switch
>>>>>> from Windows to linux. It has gotten heated enough that I took
>>>>>> myself off the list for a while. But I can virtually guarantee that
>>>>>> there will be no changes. I was about the only one who even seemed
>>>>>> to think it was worth considering. I'll admit that it would be wrong
>>>>>> to change the orca keys to be like those of jaws. What I would hope
>>>>>> for, though, it to get people to agree that if some standardization
>>>>>> could be done, it would be a good thing. People won't even go for
>>>>>> that. It's
>>>> ridiculous, IMO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 17, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Ian C. Bray via nfbcs wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there anyone out there who can help me get an UBUNTU  box
>>>>>>> started so that it has some varriant of speech that functions
>>>>>>> simillarly to JAWS?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I-- have no idea where to start with this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tami Jarvis spoke to me about ORCA-- and I have only been diving
>>>>>>> into my own SEMI-Professional Accessibility Needs recently.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have an ancient LAPTOP with 12.8 LTS on it, and I would like to
>>>>>>> get back to my Unix / Linux Tinkering.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mentorship & off-line phone conversations & EMail Groups /
>>>>>>> Listservs welcome.
>>>>>>> I do not do well in forums-- but I'm not saying I won't try.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ian  C. Bray
>>>>>>> Louisville, KY
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________

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