[nfbcs] Helping a software engineer keep his job

Sat Oct 18 23:41:12 UTC 2014

This is just so typical of you, Mike. Whenever anyone admits to struggling with their disability, you tell them to shape up or get out. I find your attitude abhorrent and it’s the embodiment of everything that is wrong with the NFB. Thank goodness people like you are being shoved aside. 

On Oct 18, 2014, at 12:07 PM, Mike Freeman via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Mike:
> 
> With all due respect, why do you keep insisting upon a standard for what
> time a blind person should spend to achieve a "normal" output -- presumably
> meaning the same as that of one's sighted colleagues? The blind, as with
> everyone else, are human beings with all the variability that this implies.
> I submit that while the Department of Labor can come up with statistics for
> how much work a particular job should entail, such statistics are
> meaningless when dealing with the blind because there are so few of us.
> 
> You answered your own question: WHATEVER IT TAKES! If you, the blind person,
> can tolerate this, well and good. If not, you can either improve your skills
> or go into some other profession.
> 
> This is no different than it is for anyone else, given the array of talents
> and capacities -- or lack thereof -- that we all manifest.
> 
> Mike Freeman
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Jolls via
> nfbcs
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 5:06 AM
> To: nfbcs at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Helping a software engineer keep his job
> 
> I am curious as I read these replies about what a blind person should learn
> to get up to speed on being efficient, how spending extra time on the job to
> compensate for a slower rate comes into this solution?  How much extra time
> outside of a normal 40 hour week should a blind person expect to spend in
> keeping up, or getting the necessary skills to be able to keep up.  The
> obvious answer of course is "whatever it takes" ... but I'm curious if there
> is any consensus as to an average time a blind person should expect to spend
> each week working to stay even with normally sighted counterparts.  Fifty
> hours a week?  Sixty hours?  This time spent can be doing whatever ...
> learning new things ... spending extra time on project work ... whatever.
> What should a blind or visually impaired person's expectation be to this
> question?
> 
> As many of you who frequent this list may know, I'm a partially sighted IT
> guy.  I already know I'm a slow reader.  I already know I only read about
> 50% of the rate of a normally sighted person.  Everything in my job as a
> Windows GUI/Database application person requires me to see or read.  This
> means just about every task is affected by my slower rate, and therefore in
> my mind the only answer ... unless I find some different super guru faster
> method of taking in the information ... or some way to auto-generate the
> code I write (meaning less time to do it)... is to spend more time per day
> to compensate for my slower rate.  I use Jaws and while that's helpful, it's
> not a cure-all.   There are many times that I fall back to using my vision
> and I know that's not the best thing to do.  Using icons, having to read
> things on the screen because the screen reader can't do it.  It all adds up
> to extra time.
> 
> In some ways it might be better if I was totally blind because it would
> force me to use non-visual techniques.  When you have sight, you naturally
> go back to it.  It's really hard to break old habits.
> 
> One thing I get from this topic is that many of you are NOT in a Windows GUI
> environment, but rather in a text based command line environment.  Perhaps
> for blind people, one answer to mitigating the "extra time" is to not do a
> job that will require you use your vision so much ... such as the UNIX and
> LINUX environment you guys talk about.  If I'm hearing you right, there
> you're in a text based world and perhaps that's better.
> 
> But no excuses here.  I'm just saying that because of the slower vision
> rate, I have come to the conclusion that I will have to spend extra time per
> week to compensate for the rest of my life.  I'm just wondering if that's
> been your experience as well and if there is a consensus as to the average
> number of hours per week blind people should expect to spend?  Just this
> week I spent about 60 hours ... I'm having to learn some new technologies
> and still do my normal job.  It means spending a couple of hours a night
> after work doing that.  Personally, I'd rather be with the wife enjoying my
> evenings, but I have to maintain the workload and still learn the new stuff.
> Where I work they want results and the bottom line is that they don't care
> what you have to do.  They just want it done.  I just don't see any
> alternative unless as I say there's some new way to allow me to do the work
> more efficiently in less time.
> 
> Oh, and a question about a comment made in this thread.  Someone mentioned
> using a variety of tools to get your job done ... including human readers.
> I'm wondering if the blind professional has to pay for those readers out of
> his or her own pocket, and what the cost of that service runs?  I sure don't
> see my company wanting to support that kind of service.  As I see it, they'd
> say ... "everyone else has stuff to do and they need to be doing their job
> ... just deal with your job and get it done".
> 
> Thanks for listening.  I'm just a guy trying to get things done so I can
> stay employed until I retire.  At that time, I'm thinking of devoting myself
> to working in the AT community ... maybe trying to help future blind
> programmers.  In the world where I work, it's pretty brutal.
> 
>> To: nfbcs at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 10:47:55 -0500
>> Subject: [nfbcs] Helping a software engineer keep his job
>> From: nfbcs at nfbnet.org
>> 
>> Several days ago I was contacted by a software engineer who is going
> blind.
>> He uses the Linux operating system, and what he really needs is a way to
>> efficiently do the things that are required of him as a programmer for
>> Lockheed Martin. His employer seems to be willing to get him any equipment
>> that might help him in his job, so they have gotten him Zoom text, the
>> K1000, and I think they have even purchased several copies of JAWS for
>> Windows for him to use on several computers. Of course all of these are
>> based on Microsoft Windows, and what he really needs to interact with is a
>> Linux box. He has figured out a way to do some terminal emulation that
> lets
>> him use screen reading technology, but all of the workarounds really make
> it
>> difficult for him to do what once was efficient.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Do any of you have ideas about how to help him? My impression is that he
> is
>> smart, motivated, well regarded by his employer, but at his wits in as to
>> how to do his job and to meet the deadlines that are being offered. He is
>> monitoring this list and will appreciate any comments that people care to
>> give. I will be monitoring the list, but I will be on vacation and rather
>> out of touch for the next ten days or so. I thank all of you for thinking
>> about this and giving him your best ideas. His name is Graham Mehl.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Warmly,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Gary
>> 
>> Linix operating system
>> 
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