[nfbcs] Chrome, Jaws and work and big tricks

Thu Oct 5 16:32:52 UTC 2017

The good news is flash will no longer be supported by 2021 and all 
agencies that have flash installed are going to have to remove flash. 
The reason flash will be removed by all agencies by or before 2021 along 
with all software that uses flash to provide web content is flash will 
be target number one for all hackers so having flash on any equipment 
after 2020 will be a security exposure.

On Thu, 5 Oct 2017, Tracy Carcione via nfbcs wrote:

> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 11:23:19
> From: Tracy Carcione via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Chrome, Jaws and work and big tricks
> 
> Thanks everyone for the advice.  Jude, I almost laughed when you talked about my employer's accessibility coordinator.  Ho ho ho!  Maybe they have such a beast at the Navy, but not at my place.
>
> My workplace only has Chrome version 54.  When I tried upgrading to the latest, 61, it crashed as soon as I tried to enter our main website.  So I had them re-install 54, which doesn't crash, but also didn't read any of the flash stuff on the training website.  Then I tried going into the training with IE, even though they said it wasn't recommended, and it worked as well as it ever did.  The button to mark that I've completed the module is still completely hidden, so I have to call someone over to click that when I finish, but the other parts are doable.
> The whole thing has been an exercise in aggravation, but at least I know that Chrome is usable with Jaws.
> Tracy
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dr. Denise M Robinson via nfbcs
> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 3:58 PM
> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
> Cc: Dr. Denise M Robinson; Curtis Chong
> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Chrome, Jaws and work and big tricks
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> Adding to everything everyone has said: I turn on options in jaws to say all text with sounds for clicks etc so when I move in the browser it gives me a sound in what I am doing--insert alt s is mighty powerful in all programs depending on what you need.
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> Next and a biggy--all my students come across sites that require a right or left click on something. This is where routing of cursors come in and command of insert 8-special left click or insert 9 special right click takes care of it. I love the app key but there is nothing like getting the mouse to where t needs to be to "click" on it. I have even had to route cursor use bypass key of insert 3 then left or right click commands and it works.
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> So many tricks to use with Jaws--but those are a few of my top ones to get it and do the work and have no fear of Chrome--very doable
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> *Dr Denise M Robinson*
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> Denise M Robinson, TVI, PhD
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> Specialist-Technology/Blind Skills | Teacher of the Blind and Visually Impaired
> 425-220-6935 | www.yourtechvision.com
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> ?Helping the visually impaired see their world changed through technology?
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> On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Jude DaShiell via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
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>> That mandatory annual training even has mouse clicks in it not even 
>> the left and right mouse keys can do within jaws.  The Navy had lots 
>> of that while I worked for them.  It took sighted assistance for me to 
>> get that training done and we were required to use internet explorer. 
>> I don't know if Tracey has a home computer with a screen reader on it, 
>> but if so perhaps Tracey could install chrome and chromevox on the 
>> home computer and do the mandatory annual training at home and charge 
>> the employer for the overtime hours.  That might get their attention. 
>> Also point out some blind employees won't necessarily have a home 
>> computer available to them on which to complete that mandatory annual 
>> training depending on what they manage to buy and set up ahead of that 
>> training.  If the training has to be done on a work computer, sighted assistance probably will be needed.
>>
>> Best if the accessibility coordinator does the assistance and writes 
>> the site up within functional web accessibility testing too.
>>
>> On Wed, 4 Oct 2017, Curtis Chong via nfbcs wrote:
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>> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2017 09:46:42
>>> From: Curtis Chong via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Curtis Chong <curtischong at earthlink.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Chrome, Jaws and work
>>>
>>> Hello Tracy:
>>>
>>> I regard Chrome as a usable browser although, for me, it is not primary.
>>> At
>>> this stage, I switch routinely between three browsers: Internet 
>>> Explorer, Firefox, and Chrome. Each has its own unique set of 
>>> strengths and weaknesses, depending on the websites being accessed 
>>> and your personal preferences. It sounds like the training web 
>>> interface is already an accessibility issue for you. This is unfortunate.
>>>
>>> One thing that I do with all the browsers I use is to find a way to 
>>> enable navigational sounds. This way, when the page refreshes, I get 
>>> an audible indication that it has done so. For Chrome, that means an 
>>> add-in, which your employer probably won't let you install<smile>.
>>>
>>> Good luck.
>>>
>>> Cordially,
>>>
>>> Curtis Chong
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy 
>>> Carcione via nfbcs
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2017 5:23 AM
>>> To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>>> Subject: [nfbcs] Chrome, Jaws and work
>>>
>>> I just got a notice at work saying our required annual training 
>>> should be completed using Google Chrome.  I've never used Chrome, or 
>>> wanted to.  I'd heard it didn't work well with Jaws, and I'll have to 
>>> use ChromeVox to use it.  Is that true?  Is it hard to learn?
>>>
>>> The annual training is difficult to complete using a screen reader I 
>>> know-lots of mouse clicks required that can't be simulated with 
>>> spacebar or enter.
>>>
>>> Maybe the best solution will end up being to have some joker from HR 
>>> stand next to me and do the clicking and all, since they are in 
>>> charge of the app and its accessibility, or lack thereof. 
>>> "Inclusion" seldom includes blind people.
>>>
>>> Please advise about Chrome.
>>>
>>> Tracy
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