[nfbcs] Learning Eclipse with a Screenreader

Thu Feb 8 01:24:28 UTC 2018

There was an eclipse tutorial for screen readers floating around a few
years ago when I started.  maybe someone has the link still?  i'll try
to find it later.
Some basic things to start out:
simple hit alt to go to the menu bar.  Look around under each menu bar
and you'll find a lot of interesting stuff there.
If you type alt w it takes you to window menu and then you can go down
to the change view sub menu : under that you will find things like
output console, problems pane with syntax errors, package view and so
forth.  You can use this until you have the short cut keys memorized.
Also, if you look under the settings or properties menu under the
window menu you should be able to find a way  to change all the short
cut keys and also add new short cut keys that don't exist.  I don't
think there is a default shortcut key to go to output console so
you'll have to create one yourself or use window change view menu to
go to it.I forget how to do it off the top of my head.  But it is
really useful to change the short cut keys to something easier to use
and easier to memorize.

 As for the indenting , eclipse will auto correct indenting for you if
you hit ctrl I just for that line.  If you do ctrl a and select whole
file and then ctrl I it will auto fix all indenting in the file for
you.  I never heard indenting in it with jaws the several years I used
it.  It's really a waste of time to sit there and worry about
indenting until the code is done and working.  Then fix the indenting
if someone else is going to look at the code or don't bother if no one
but you will look at the code.

  Eclipse is a full featured IDE so it'll take many hours and many
months to learn everything in it.  You'll have to spend the time to
look through things and learn it.  But it is worth it in the end to
spend the time.

On 2/7/18, Tony Malykh via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Timothy,
>
>
> I am using Eclipse with PyDev for python development, but I believe many
> keyboard shortcuts will be the same regardless whether you program in
> Java or Python. Navigating between different views might be confusing in
> the beginning, but there are not too many shortcuts to learn to jump
> between them.
>
>
> I use eclipse with NVDA. I tried it with Jaws, and it indeed doesn't
> want to announce the indentation, I don't know why.
>
>
> Here are the keyboard shortcuts that I use:
>
> Alt+Shift+W P - jump to package explorer (tree view that shows all the
> files of your project, and sometimes other projects in current workspace)
>
> Alt+Shift+Q C - Jump to console - that's where you can view the output
> of your program if you are debugging with F11. I couldn't find where
> does the output go if you run your program without debugging with
> Control+F11
>
> Also Alt+Shift+Q  and Alt+Shift+W open popup menus where you can select
> to jump to other views.
>
> Control + F7  - jump to previous view. This way you can return back to
> the editor.
>
> Control+E - switch between tabs in the editor.
>
>
> As for debugging, you need to make sure that Eclipse has correct
> configuration for JDK/JRE or Python installation. Assuming you've got
> this sorted out, here are my shortcuts that I use for debugging:
>
> Control+Shift+B - set breakpoint. You won't get any notification that
> the breakpoint was set, nor will Jaws/NVDA announce the presence of the
> breakpoint, but next time you debug your program, it'll stop on that line.
>
> F6, F5 - step over, step into
>
> To inspect the value of a variable, there are two ways.
>
> Alt+Shift+Q V - to jump to variables view, where you can see the values
> of all local variables
>
> or alternatively
>
> 1. Select a variable
>
> 2. Click context menu, and select watch
>
> 3. It'll take you to expressions view, where you can configure which
> variables you want to see
>
> 4. You can seitch between this view and editor using Control+F7, but I
> couldn't find a good shortcut to jump to expressions view from anywhere.
> You can still jump to it through the menu Window>Show View>Expressions.
>
>
> Hope this help.
>
> Tony
>
>
>
>
> On 2/7/2018 9:55 AM, Timothy Breitenfeldt via nfbcs wrote:
>> Hi, I am looking for an new IDE for programming. I have used ED Sharp
>> for the past couple years, but I am curious to try eclipse again. My
>> computer science program encourages students to use eclipse, so I did
>> take a look at it, but found it to be complicated and hard to
>> understand how to use with a screenreader. I set it down and just
>> continued using ED sharp, which is easier to use even if it does lack
>> a lot of the nice features that eclipse can provide.
>>
>> note: I am primarily programming in Java and a little python right now.
>>
>> I started playing with eclipse again, testing it with Jaws and NVDA, I
>> think I have a hang of the basics, but I do have some questions.
>> Something I noticed was that for some reason Jaws isn't reading
>> indentations even with "read indentations" on. NVDA does read the
>> indentations though, does anyone no why, or no how to fix this? I can
>> use NVDA, but I prefer to use Jaws, and I really want my screenreader
>> to be reading indentations.
>> Also, I found that ctrl+shift+l will give me a list of the shortcut
>> keys, so I learned that f11 will compile, and I believe it is ctrl+f11
>> to run, but how do I easily get to the output window?
>> Also, I could not figure out how to debug at all, can anyone give me
>> tips on this?
>>
>> Any resources or tips for using eclipse with jaws or NVDA would be very
>> helpful.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> TJ Breitenfeldt
>>
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