[NFBCS] Resolution 19 on electronic ballot delivery: am I over-reacting?

Sat Jul 18 18:49:09 UTC 2020

The fact that there are articles about the pitfalls with mail in voting indicates that the media isn't biased or at least not all media. IMHO, statements about media bias or fake news is just a lazy way of avoiding and discussing the real issue. It's just avoidance or deflection. It's best to get your news from multiple sources, use some common sense and make up your own mind. Also, the fact that mail in votes aren't counted is a process issue with the municipality counting the votes. It's not a security issue.

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Christopher (AKA CJ)
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> Cc: Sabra Ewing <sabra1023 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Resolution 19 on electronic ballot delivery: am I over-
> reacting?
> 
> I can't find it right now because the session is on, but there have been lots of
> reports how tubs and tubs of mail in ballots were found after the election was
> over and they were not counted. The electric ones would be more likely to be
> counted because they would go right to the system and they would not have to
> be counted by hand. Lazy people probably just throw away the mail ballots or
> never pick them up because they don't want to count them. There have been so
> many reports of mail in ballots being found after the fact. You also have no way
> of knowing if your ballot even made it to them or not. The media is being very
> biased on this issue because they're acting like male voting is great and
> electronic voting has nothing but pitfalls. Disability rights does have to do with it
> as well regardless of what position you take, and of course, they have ignored
> disabled people yet again.
> 
> Sabra Ewing
> 
> > On Jul 18, 2020, at 10:40 AM, Ryan Stevens via NFBCS <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Whether county boards of election count mailed in ballots is actually a
> separate issue. That wouldn't be considered fraud, but rather potential
> governmental malfeasance, and not a consideration of this resolution. Also, if
> mailed in ballots are not counted, there's at least an equal chance that ballots
> received electronically would remain in inboxes. In terms of the resolution, I
> think the concern is that the last two or three whereas clauses seem to be "buzz
> wordy", and I can certainly understand why there has been so much discussion
> around it.
> >
> > Ryan Stevens
> >
> >
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> > Cc: Sabra Ewing <sabra1023 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Resolution 19 on electronic ballot delivery: am I over-
> reacting?
> >
> > there are many security issues with printing out the ballots in voting by mail
> though, that they are not addressing. The media does not have fair coverage.
> Many vote by mail ballot's do not get counted. When it says so-called security
> experts, I thought that it was talking about how the media believes that it is a
> security expert.
> >
> > Sabra Ewing
> >
> >> On Jul 18, 2020, at 7:16 AM, Aaron Cannon via NFBCS <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> This resolution saw a great deal of discussion in our state caucus yesterday as
> well. I expect there to be a great deal of discussion on this today. I hope that it
> does not pass.
> >>
> >> Aaron
> >>
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> >>>> On Jul 17, 2020, at 16:52, Mike Gorse via NFBCS <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thanks, Justin. I hadn't looked at the resolutions, so now I feel blind-sided,
> which, obviously, is something that can happen to someone who doesn't look at
> the resolutions. Anyhow, I'm not really a security professional, but I agree with
> Curtis's comments, and your concerns seem reasonable to me.
> >>>
> >>>>> On Fri, 17 Jul 2020, Justin Ekis via NFBCS wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hey there folks,
> >>>> First, to introduce or perhaps reintroduce myself. I’m a student majoring in
> Cyber Defense at southwest tennessee community college. I’d love to get to
> know any blind folks working in the information security field.
> >>>> I was just reviewing the resolutions for this year, and I’m very concerned
> by some wording of resolution 2020-19. I wish I had seen this tuesday evening or
> yesterday, so I could consider this some more before sending in my notice that I
> want to speak tomorrow. There is a phrase which is repeated in two whereas
> clauses, that I find quite inappropriate.
> >>>> WHEREAS, the majority of media coverage of the increased use of
> electronic ballot delivery systems as a result of elections being changed from
> predominantly in-person to predominantly vote-by-mail as a result of the
> COVID-19 pandemic has misinformed the public by referring to it as online
> voting, by focusing almost solely on the unsubstantiated claims of so-called
> security experts, by failing to include the perspective of the disability
> community, and by failing to state that an accessible way to vote-by-mail is
> required by federal law; and
> >>>>
> >>>> WHEREAS, the media does not hesitate to question the motives and
> credibility of the National Federation of the Blind or other disability advocates
> but assumes that the so-called security experts have no biases or advocacy goals
> of their own:.
> >>>> I have a serious problem with what I see as denigration of information
> security professionals with the phrase "so-called security experts." I thoroughly
> agree with the spirit of this resolution, and all of the rest of the language.
> However, the security professionals are not the enimy, and should not be
> disparaged by this organization. I think such blanket statements can only be
> harmful. Their ownly advocacy aim is the pretection of our elections. It would be
> far better to reach out to the industry to collaborate on ways that both the
> accessibility and security needs can  both be addressed. If I had a voice in the
> industry, I would be communicating that to them as well.
> >>>> I’m very open to feedback from more experienced members on this issue.
> I’m up against the deadline and have to send in my request to speak
> immediately, but I am open to withdrawing it if I can be convinced otherwise.
> >>>> Best regards,
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