[Nfbf-l] Communication is a Two-Way Street--my last word on thesubject
Carlos J montas
carlos.montas at gmail.com
Thu Dec 10 02:27:24 UTC 2009
Agreed.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sherri" <flmom2006 at gmail.com>
To: "NFB of Florida Listserv" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Communication is a Two-Way Street--my last word on
thesubject
> Mark and list, I have been rather behind on my e-mails and actually just
> saw this message. I so much appreciate your non-judgmental,
> non-conflictive answer. I think we all need to step back as well and
> realize that though there may be disagreements, we each have valuable
> contributions to make to NFB and they need to be made in the spirit of
> passion for changing what it means to be blind. Some of the back-and-forth
> on this subject has also been done between friends. We need to realize
> that friendship is a rare and precious commodity and not let tempers get
> in the way. I hope that in future, individuals will work out their
> disagreements with one-another off list. I strongly urge all involved to
> work toward our common goals in NFB and endeavor to put differences behind
> us. We do have four conventions to host and need to have a spirit of
> camaraderie for these to be successful. Just my last thoughts on the
> subject.
>
> Sherri
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark" <markspark at bellsouth.net>
> To: "NFB of Florida Listserv" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 7:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Communication is a Two-Way Street
>
>
>> If I may say something, and please forgive me as I am not entirely
>> familiar with all the issues here, some of this personal kind of thing
>> really should be discussed privately. It has degenerated into personal
>> attacks that it seems to me, and correct me if I'm wrong, have no place
>> on this list. I think it is time for us to step back, take a deep breath
>> and calm down and communicate again when heads are cooler. I find this
>> discussion extremely hurtful, and even though I am not personally being
>> hurt by it, it hurts to observe this. Please, let's take a breath, and
>> when we are calmer, then talk because obviously this is not helping and
>> it is quite ugly. We need less strife and if there are problems, I think
>> there are ways to gently communicate it to those concerned.
>> Mark Tardif
>> You can't hug your loved ones with nuclear arms
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kirk" <kvharmon54 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NFB of Florida Listserv" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 9:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Communication is a Two-Way Street
>>
>>
>>> Marion, I appreciate your thoughtful consideration of my messages!
>>> Unlike
>>> yourself however, I am not afraid of speaking the truth and don't have
>>> any
>>> worry's of being outcast from the NfB as you do. See, I have had a life
>>> prior to the NFB and quite successful at that. Unlike yourself you need
>>> this
>>> resource to be heard as you wouldn't be able to be heard in any other
>>> normal
>>> environment you sad man! I guess you do know how to get along in
>>> restricted
>>> environments as you have been in one most of your life, and You do know
>>> what
>>> I mean by that, don't you? So, since you need to spew out your holier
>>> than
>>> thou verbage amongst the restricted listeners you have to listen to your
>>> crap, you go ahead and go for it! Unlike you, I had a life prior to
>>> people
>>> like you and your little world of incompetence so which all you can do
>>> is
>>> cry to the one fifth of the blind in America if even that since their is
>>> over 3.1 million blind in America and the NFBB has only been able to
>>> grab
>>> onto around 50,000 of them and you get to only speak to about 500 of
>>> them
>>> to boot! TSK! What a sorry man! good bye Marion, and I hope all the
>>> studying
>>> you got in while the tax payers not only payed for your education, we
>>> payed
>>> for your small room and board to boot! Please don't contact me again nor
>>> respond to me any more on this site as if you do, it could get very moch
>>> uglier for you than this one was! KH----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
>>> To: "NFB of Florida Listserv" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 2:55 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Communication is a Two-Way Street
>>>
>>>
>>> Kirk,
>>> I appreciate your pair of thoughtful, professional, dignified, and
>>> insightful messages. I understand your concerns and wish I could respond
>>> in
>>> an equally thoughtful, professional, dignified, and insightful manner;
>>> however, I believe you have demonstrated my point more astutely and
>>> accurately than I could do so myself! . I will take your comments under
>>> advisement!
>>>
>>> fraternally yours,
>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>>> East Hillsborough Chapter
>>> National Federation of the Blind of Florida
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Kirk" <kvharmon54 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NFB of Florida Listserv" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 10:07 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Communication is a Two-Way Street
>>>
>>>
>>>> Marion, I have spent 6 years speaking out to leaders and
>>>> unfortunately
>>>> people like youself didn't like what I said or the fact that I got
>>>> things
>>>> done without making excuses why they couldn't be done! Marion as far
>>>> as
>>>> cowardice, please! The whole you are bringing all this crap out in the
>>>> memberships eye is your personal fued with Dan Hicks and nothing more!
>>>> You
>>>> could of ccontacted him personally and quitely to protest the lethargy
>>>> with
>>>> putting the minutes out there for all to read, and this is going to
>>>> your
>>>> leaders as you just said in your comments to all that are reading! You
>>>> are
>>>> nothing more that a damn hipocrit in what you say or do! I have
>>>> withstood
>>>> people like yourself as long as I could and realized that this
>>>> organization
>>>> is nothing more than blow hards as yourself and cowards themselves that
>>>> have
>>>> got there leaderships by just following along like sheep and never
>>>> speaking
>>>> the truth at what they see wrong for fear they might not be able to
>>>> find
>>>> the
>>>> next step in the NFB leadership ladder rung if they allowed there
>>>> disagreeing words get to the powers that be at National, God Forbid,
>>>> !
>>>> So,
>>>> don't call me the coward my friend, look inward for sure! It is people
>>>> like
>>>> yourself in the advocacy community thtat make me sick! good bye you
>>>> ego
>>>> maniac! by the way, what the hell did you do as the State fundraiser
>>>> when
>>>> you were chair? LOL! that's right, NOTHING! KH
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
>>>> To: "NFB of Florida Listserv" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 7:21 AM
>>>> Subject: [Nfbf-l] Communication is a Two-Way Street
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kirk and All,
>>>> With all due respect, communication is a two-way street. If we
>>>> expect
>>>> better communication from our leadership, we must be willing to give it
>>>> to
>>>> them, as well! If we, the membership, only share our disgruntled
>>>> feelings
>>>> with each other and never take them to the leadership, we are doing a
>>>> disservice to our selves, our fellow Federationists, and the
>>>> organization,
>>>> as a whole. There are a few of us who have been demanding transparency
>>>> and
>>>> accountability from the Board of Directors for quite some time and we
>>>> have
>>>> frequently felt like a lone voice! The NFB is founded on the concept of
>>>> collective action. Both words of this concept are important. We must
>>>> speak
>>>> as a group, collectively, and be willing to work for change through our
>>>> actions. One aspect of this action is our vote. The membership -
>>>> including
>>>> you and me - elected our Board. It is up to us to either demand
>>>> acountability to those who elected them or elect those who will listen
>>>> to
>>>> us
>>>> and do what we want them to do.
>>>> If you, Kirk, or any other member have something to say that
>>>> concerns
>>>> this affiliate, say it publicly so that those of us who are advocating
>>>> for
>>>> change do not feel alone in our efforts and so that the
>>>> Board knows the discension is not only one or two disgruntled members
>>>> but
>>>> a
>>>> general feeling that we are being betrayed and ignored by those we have
>>>> entrusted to do what is right for this affiliate! If you are unwilling
>>>> to
>>>> speak out publicly, don't talk privately. This is cowardice!
>>>>
>>>> Fraternally & Respectfully yours,
>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Kirk" <kvharmon54 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NFB of Florida Listserv" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 2:14 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Our benefit dinner and show
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> David, will you please give me a call? Kirk Harmon
>>>>>
>>>>> Ph: 407-380-3371 or 407-473-2176....
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "davidw" <dwermuth1 at earthlink.net>
>>>>> To: "Florida Association of Guide Dog Users" <flagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: "NFB of Florida Listserv" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 7:37 AM
>>>>> Subject: [Nfbf-l] Our benefit dinner and show
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What a great turnout last night promoteing our business " A to Z
>>>>> Adaptive
>>>>> Aids" we raised some money to purchase independent aids for those
>>>>> that
>>>>> need
>>>>> them but can't...
>>>>>
>>>>> We had NFB brochures out and quite a few people asked about the
>>>>> organization. I quite frankly when asked the question's they were
>>>>> asking,
>>>>> "what does the NFB of Florida do" I didn't have a answer and honestly
>>>>> had
>>>>> to say, "I really don't know" and "your guess is as good as mine" I
>>>>> honestly didn't have any answer's for them and after discussing this
>>>>> with
>>>>> Holly Schneider (vice president of the Hernando chapter) we both have
>>>>> decided to resign as members of Florida NFB. We will remain as
>>>>> members
>>>>> nationally and continue to fight for individual rights as citizens
>>>>> but
>>>>> under a different flag. Is there a ACB chapter in Hernando county?
>>>>> If
>>>>> anyone can pass this information to us, dwermuth1 at earthlink.net we
>>>>> would
>>>>> like to find more about what they are doing and perhaps start a
>>>>> chapter
>>>>> here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards and best luck in the future when you all have a chance to vote
>>>>> on
>>>>> change on your leadership.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave Wermuth and Holly Schneider
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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