[Nfbf-l] Communication is a Two-Way Street--my last word on the subject
Sherri
flmom2006 at gmail.com
Thu Dec 10 00:32:18 UTC 2009
Mark and list, I have been rather behind on my e-mails and actually just saw
this message. I so much appreciate your non-judgmental, non-conflictive
answer. I think we all need to step back as well and realize that though
there may be disagreements, we each have valuable contributions to make to
NFB and they need to be made in the spirit of passion for changing what it
means to be blind. Some of the back-and-forth on this subject has also been
done between friends. We need to realize that friendship is a rare and
precious commodity and not let tempers get in the way. I hope that in
future, individuals will work out their disagreements with one-another off
list. I strongly urge all involved to work toward our common goals in NFB
and endeavor to put differences behind us. We do have four conventions to
host and need to have a spirit of camaraderie for these to be successful.
Just my last thoughts on the subject.
Sherri
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark" <markspark at bellsouth.net>
To: "NFB of Florida Listserv" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 7:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Communication is a Two-Way Street
> If I may say something, and please forgive me as I am not entirely
> familiar with all the issues here, some of this personal kind of thing
> really should be discussed privately. It has degenerated into personal
> attacks that it seems to me, and correct me if I'm wrong, have no place on
> this list. I think it is time for us to step back, take a deep breath and
> calm down and communicate again when heads are cooler. I find this
> discussion extremely hurtful, and even though I am not personally being
> hurt by it, it hurts to observe this. Please, let's take a breath, and
> when we are calmer, then talk because obviously this is not helping and it
> is quite ugly. We need less strife and if there are problems, I think
> there are ways to gently communicate it to those concerned.
> Mark Tardif
> You can't hug your loved ones with nuclear arms
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kirk" <kvharmon54 at gmail.com>
> To: "NFB of Florida Listserv" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 9:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Communication is a Two-Way Street
>
>
>> Marion, I appreciate your thoughtful consideration of my messages! Unlike
>> yourself however, I am not afraid of speaking the truth and don't have
>> any
>> worry's of being outcast from the NfB as you do. See, I have had a life
>> prior to the NFB and quite successful at that. Unlike yourself you need
>> this
>> resource to be heard as you wouldn't be able to be heard in any other
>> normal
>> environment you sad man! I guess you do know how to get along in
>> restricted
>> environments as you have been in one most of your life, and You do know
>> what
>> I mean by that, don't you? So, since you need to spew out your holier
>> than
>> thou verbage amongst the restricted listeners you have to listen to your
>> crap, you go ahead and go for it! Unlike you, I had a life prior to
>> people
>> like you and your little world of incompetence so which all you can do is
>> cry to the one fifth of the blind in America if even that since their is
>> over 3.1 million blind in America and the NFBB has only been able to grab
>> onto around 50,000 of them and you get to only speak to about 500 of
>> them
>> to boot! TSK! What a sorry man! good bye Marion, and I hope all the
>> studying
>> you got in while the tax payers not only payed for your education, we
>> payed
>> for your small room and board to boot! Please don't contact me again nor
>> respond to me any more on this site as if you do, it could get very moch
>> uglier for you than this one was! KH----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
>> To: "NFB of Florida Listserv" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 2:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Communication is a Two-Way Street
>>
>>
>> Kirk,
>> I appreciate your pair of thoughtful, professional, dignified, and
>> insightful messages. I understand your concerns and wish I could respond
>> in
>> an equally thoughtful, professional, dignified, and insightful manner;
>> however, I believe you have demonstrated my point more astutely and
>> accurately than I could do so myself! . I will take your comments under
>> advisement!
>>
>> fraternally yours,
>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>> East Hillsborough Chapter
>> National Federation of the Blind of Florida
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kirk" <kvharmon54 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NFB of Florida Listserv" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 10:07 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Communication is a Two-Way Street
>>
>>
>>> Marion, I have spent 6 years speaking out to leaders and
>>> unfortunately
>>> people like youself didn't like what I said or the fact that I got
>>> things
>>> done without making excuses why they couldn't be done! Marion as far as
>>> cowardice, please! The whole you are bringing all this crap out in the
>>> memberships eye is your personal fued with Dan Hicks and nothing more!
>>> You
>>> could of ccontacted him personally and quitely to protest the lethargy
>>> with
>>> putting the minutes out there for all to read, and this is going to your
>>> leaders as you just said in your comments to all that are reading! You
>>> are
>>> nothing more that a damn hipocrit in what you say or do! I have
>>> withstood
>>> people like yourself as long as I could and realized that this
>>> organization
>>> is nothing more than blow hards as yourself and cowards themselves that
>>> have
>>> got there leaderships by just following along like sheep and never
>>> speaking
>>> the truth at what they see wrong for fear they might not be able to find
>>> the
>>> next step in the NFB leadership ladder rung if they allowed there
>>> disagreeing words get to the powers that be at National, God Forbid, !
>>> So,
>>> don't call me the coward my friend, look inward for sure! It is people
>>> like
>>> yourself in the advocacy community thtat make me sick! good bye you ego
>>> maniac! by the way, what the hell did you do as the State fundraiser
>>> when
>>> you were chair? LOL! that's right, NOTHING! KH
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
>>> To: "NFB of Florida Listserv" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 7:21 AM
>>> Subject: [Nfbf-l] Communication is a Two-Way Street
>>>
>>>
>>> Kirk and All,
>>> With all due respect, communication is a two-way street. If we expect
>>> better communication from our leadership, we must be willing to give it
>>> to
>>> them, as well! If we, the membership, only share our disgruntled
>>> feelings
>>> with each other and never take them to the leadership, we are doing a
>>> disservice to our selves, our fellow Federationists, and the
>>> organization,
>>> as a whole. There are a few of us who have been demanding transparency
>>> and
>>> accountability from the Board of Directors for quite some time and we
>>> have
>>> frequently felt like a lone voice! The NFB is founded on the concept of
>>> collective action. Both words of this concept are important. We must
>>> speak
>>> as a group, collectively, and be willing to work for change through our
>>> actions. One aspect of this action is our vote. The membership -
>>> including
>>> you and me - elected our Board. It is up to us to either demand
>>> acountability to those who elected them or elect those who will listen
>>> to
>>> us
>>> and do what we want them to do.
>>> If you, Kirk, or any other member have something to say that concerns
>>> this affiliate, say it publicly so that those of us who are advocating
>>> for
>>> change do not feel alone in our efforts and so that the
>>> Board knows the discension is not only one or two disgruntled members
>>> but
>>> a
>>> general feeling that we are being betrayed and ignored by those we have
>>> entrusted to do what is right for this affiliate! If you are unwilling
>>> to
>>> speak out publicly, don't talk privately. This is cowardice!
>>>
>>> Fraternally & Respectfully yours,
>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Kirk" <kvharmon54 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NFB of Florida Listserv" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 2:14 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Our benefit dinner and show
>>>
>>>
>>>> David, will you please give me a call? Kirk Harmon
>>>>
>>>> Ph: 407-380-3371 or 407-473-2176....
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "davidw" <dwermuth1 at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "Florida Association of Guide Dog Users" <flagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: "NFB of Florida Listserv" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 7:37 AM
>>>> Subject: [Nfbf-l] Our benefit dinner and show
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What a great turnout last night promoteing our business " A to Z
>>>> Adaptive
>>>> Aids" we raised some money to purchase independent aids for those that
>>>> need
>>>> them but can't...
>>>>
>>>> We had NFB brochures out and quite a few people asked about the
>>>> organization. I quite frankly when asked the question's they were
>>>> asking,
>>>> "what does the NFB of Florida do" I didn't have a answer and honestly
>>>> had
>>>> to say, "I really don't know" and "your guess is as good as mine" I
>>>> honestly didn't have any answer's for them and after discussing this
>>>> with
>>>> Holly Schneider (vice president of the Hernando chapter) we both have
>>>> decided to resign as members of Florida NFB. We will remain as members
>>>> nationally and continue to fight for individual rights as citizens but
>>>> under a different flag. Is there a ACB chapter in Hernando county? If
>>>> anyone can pass this information to us, dwermuth1 at earthlink.net we
>>>> would
>>>> like to find more about what they are doing and perhaps start a chapter
>>>> here.
>>>>
>>>> Regards and best luck in the future when you all have a chance to vote
>>>> on
>>>> change on your leadership.
>>>>
>>>> Dave Wermuth and Holly Schneider
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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