[Nfbf-l] CCB stay denied, please help

Thu Mar 11 17:29:48 UTC 2010

Hello Beth,
I have been following this list serve dialog and believe that in my opinion it would be in your best interest if you sharpen up your independent living skills and prepare for that journey to Colorado.  I am sure that Kathy Davis and Carlos Montos will attest that these centers of training are intense regimented facilities and will not pamper you.  If you are serious enough and determined to want to include them into the construction of a strong foundation underneath your desire to reach a complete independent life then I suggest you rise above these small obstacles, use some tact and finesse, and convince your parents that it is the best way to secure a good future to reach your independent life goals.
Blessings of Peace & Joy,
Peter Cerullo
Vice President 
Greater Daytona Beach Chapter N.F.B.F.    

-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy Davis <kdavisnfbf at cfl.rr.com>
To: 'NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List' <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 10:32 pm
Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] CCB stay denied, please help

Hi Beth, 
How old are you now? I just can't remember considering how fast the years
ly by. I guess my point is that if you are an adult, your parents shouldn't
ave anything to do with your desire to go to the Colorado Center. I
ouldn't take anything from having attended the Louisiana Center for the
lind. Both rehab programs are so empowering and by the time you complete
he program you will never have to return for further training. I am behind
ou one hundred percent. Stick to your guns and go where you know you can
et the absolute best training in all aspects of your life. 
Kathy Davis

-----Original Message-----
rom: nfbf-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbf-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
f Beth
ent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:26 PM
o: NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List
ubject: Re: [Nfbf-l] CCB stay denied, please help
Yes, Holly.  My parents want to make that decision for me.  But that's not
oing to happen because of how they view me and other blind people.  Their
hing is I have a strong sense of entitlement.  Well, suppose I say that all
mericans have a strong sense of entitlement.
o life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  I can't even pursue
appiness without my life and liberty, and I can't pursue liberty without
ife.  All three principles that Americans live by are being violated by
his roadblock my parents are trying to put up.
eth
On 3/9/10, Holly <hbeanie at gmail.com> wrote:
 Your Parents decision? Really?

 On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:

> I just spoke with Walter Blackman.  He said it was my parents'
> decision-making that was hindering me from doing this.  He's going to 
> meet with me next Thursday.  I have to somehow get to the Terlington 
> Building downtown.
> Beth
>
> On 3/9/10, RJ Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I wonder what Craig Kiser would say about this? RJ
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
> > To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 7:28 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] CCB stay denied, please help
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Dear Beth,
> >>
> >> Too far my foot.  How about services in Hawaii.  They can teach 
> >> you the Hula and they specialize in Hospitality and Travel 
> >> services training, which includes how to prepare a pig for a Louo
east.
> >> lets see them find that in the lesson plans at Daytona.
> >> Keep pushing on them.  They are just stonewalling you and there is
> funding
> >>
> >> for it, the distance does not matter and they have provided it for
> others.
> >> Contact Joann Wilson or Dr. Fred Schroder through NFB HQ and see 
> >> what
> they
> >>
> >> say.  They are both former Directors of the RSA.
> >> Ask Kathy Davis as they sent her to Louisiana.
> >>
> >> David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
> >> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 8:21 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] CCB stay denied, please help
> >>
> >>
> >>> The only reason why they're denying me is because it's "too far
way."
> >>> If you read the quote closely, that's what they're doing.
> >>> Beth
> >>>
> >>> On 3/8/10, David Evans <drevans at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear Beth,
> >>>>
> >>>> You have the Right, under the Freedom of Choice Provision of the 
> >>>> Rehab Act of 1973 as amended, to attend the Rehab center of your 
> >>>> choice.
> >>>> Dbs can not denie you, but they can refuse to pay any more of 
> >>>> the cost than it would be to attend in state.  You would be 
> >>>> responsible for the difference.  They could pay for it all, if 
> >>>> they want to, and they have done it for others in the past.
> >>>> You don't have to justify it to them, except to say that is 
> >>>> where you prefer to attend.
> >>>> There are certainly classes at CCB that can not be had in Florida.
> >>>> Wood Shop , rock climbing, Rural travel skills, etc, etc.  
> >>>> Inquire
> with
> >>>> CCB
> >>>> and see what they do different than Florida and pick that in 
> >>>> addition
> to
> >>>> everything else they teach.
> >>>> The State has sent people there before and also other places, 
> >>>> out of state.
> >>>>
> >>>> Write a complaint to the RSA in Washington about their violation 
> >>>> of
> your
> >>>> Right to Choice.
> >>>> Hammer on them It is the same as a high school student picking a
> college
> >>>>
> >>>> to
> >>>> go to attend.  If you believe they have a better program there 
> >>>> than here, that is all you need.  There are no provisions within 
> >>>> the Law that
> says
> >>>> that
> >>>> you have to prove that there is a difference.  The rest is just 
> >>>> made
> up
> >>>> B.S.
> >>>> by D.B.S.
> >>>> I know, I helped get the Law passed back in 1991.
> >>>> It was one of the first bills, I as a member of the Florida 
> >>>> delegation took to Congress at the Washington Seminar in 1991.
> >>>>
> >>>> They have sent a number of people from Florida to other centers 
> >>>> out of state.
> >>>>  Why are they demining you?
> >>>>
> >>>> David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
> >>>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 4:15 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] CCB stay denied, please help
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> What you will have to do is show them what you can get in 
> >>>>> Colorado that you can't get in Florida.  You then have to 
> >>>>> relate that to your plan and why it is necessary.  I know it 
> >>>>> all seems like BS, but that is how the system works.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dave
> >>>>>
> >>>>> At 02:24 PM 3/8/2010, you wrote:
> >>>>>>Hi, guys.  I just got word from DBS that my stay at Colorado 
> >>>>>>Center for the Blind was denied.  According to Beth Crain, my 
> >>>>>>counselor,
> "DBS
> >>>>>>is not able to send someone that far away, when there are other 
> >>>>>>options closer."  I call it bullshit and against my right to  
> >>>>>>informed choice.  If any of you guys wants to help me with 
> >>>>>>this, that would  be nice.
> >>>>>>Sincerely,
> >>>>>>Beth Taurasi
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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