[Nfbf-l] CCB stay denied, please help

Fri Mar 12 04:01:03 UTC 2010

Dear Beth,

You may need to remind your parents, that they will not be around forever to 
take care of you and make decisions for you.
They , don't believe that any blind person can be independent, because they 
don't know how THEY could live without their eye sight, therefore, they 
don't believe you, or any other Blind person can either.
You can fight they interference and even they court order declaring you as 
incompetent due to Blindness.
This was very common in the past, just 80 years ago here in Florida.
The state of Florida even had a policy of placing blind children in asylums 
for the insane as they, the government, believed that at some point every 
blind person would go insane and need to be institutionalized.  This is not 
true, but that was the policy and the mind set of the time.
It is not easy to cut the apron strings sometimes, but if you keep at it, 
and never stop pursuing your goal, you will succeed.
The NFB has had to stand up for blind people many times into the past.
We have helped blind couples fight for their rights to take their new born 
baby home and raise it when hospital officials have tried to prevent them 
because they did not believe that blind people could raise and care for a 
baby.
This is not different.
If you want to keep your e-mails private, i would suggest that you set up a 
user account and then password protect it.  That will keep your dad from 
reading your e-mails.
If you think you are right then you may need to fight for it.
You can go and talk to a social work or a minister and ask them to help you 
and they can not talk to your parents without your permission.
The best thing would be for you to meet more good blind people and have them 
meet your folks.

If you need to talk to someone, you can call me at my home number to talk. 
My services as a Peer Counselor are free.  Call me at (561) 482-5684 and if 
I am not home, leave message with a time, date and number when I can get 
back to you.

David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
Former Nuclear/Aerospace Materials Engineer
Builder of the Lunar Rovers and the F-117 Stealth Fighter
Governor's Select Task Force on Voting Access.
The Florida HAVA State Planning Committee
The Transportation Disadvantaged Local Coordination Board Palm Beach County
South Florida Regional Transportation Authority/ Tri-Rail
Legally Blind since age 16.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] CCB stay denied, please help

> Her Parents went in front of a judge and had encapasatedher decleared
> incompantatant!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <petercerullo at aol.com>
> To: <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] CCB stay denied, please help
>
>
>>
>> Hello Beth,
>> I have been following this list serve dialog and believe that in my
>> opinion it would be in your best interest if you sharpen up your
>> independent living skills and prepare for that journey to Colorado.  I am
>> sure that Kathy Davis and Carlos Montos will attest that these centers of
>> training are intense regimented facilities and will not pamper you.  If
>> you are serious enough and determined to want to include them into the
>> construction of a strong foundation underneath your desire to reach a
>> complete independent life then I suggest you rise above these small
>> obstacles, use some tact and finesse, and convince your parents that it 
>> is
>> the best way to secure a good future to reach your independent life 
>> goals.
>> Blessings of Peace & Joy,
>> Peter Cerullo
>> Vice President
>> Greater Daytona Beach Chapter N.F.B.F.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kathy Davis <kdavisnfbf at cfl.rr.com>
>> To: 'NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List' <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 10:32 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] CCB stay denied, please help
>>
>>
>> Hi Beth,
>> How old are you now? I just can't remember considering how fast the years
>> ly by. I guess my point is that if you are an adult, your parents
>> shouldn't
>> ave anything to do with your desire to go to the Colorado Center. I
>> ouldn't take anything from having attended the Louisiana Center for the
>> lind. Both rehab programs are so empowering and by the time you complete
>> he program you will never have to return for further training. I am 
>> behind
>> ou one hundred percent. Stick to your guns and go where you know you can
>> et the absolute best training in all aspects of your life.
>> Kathy Davis
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> rom: nfbf-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbf-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> f Beth
>> ent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:26 PM
>> o: NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List
>> ubject: Re: [Nfbf-l] CCB stay denied, please help
>> Yes, Holly.  My parents want to make that decision for me.  But that's 
>> not
>> oing to happen because of how they view me and other blind people.  Their
>> hing is I have a strong sense of entitlement.  Well, suppose I say that
>> all
>> mericans have a strong sense of entitlement.
>> o life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  I can't even pursue
>> appiness without my life and liberty, and I can't pursue liberty without
>> ife.  All three principles that Americans live by are being violated by
>> his roadblock my parents are trying to put up.
>> eth
>> On 3/9/10, Holly <hbeanie at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Your Parents decision? Really?
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I just spoke with Walter Blackman.  He said it was my parents'
>>> decision-making that was hindering me from doing this.  He's going to
>>> meet with me next Thursday.  I have to somehow get to the Terlington
>>> Building downtown.
>>> Beth
>>>
>>> On 3/9/10, RJ Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > I wonder what Craig Kiser would say about this? RJ
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
>>> > To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 7:28 AM
>>> > Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] CCB stay denied, please help
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Dear Beth,
>>> >>
>>> >> Too far my foot.  How about services in Hawaii.  They can teach
>>> >> you the Hula and they specialize in Hospitality and Travel
>>> >> services training, which includes how to prepare a pig for a Louo
>> east.
>>> >> lets see them find that in the lesson plans at Daytona.
>>> >> Keep pushing on them.  They are just stonewalling you and there is
>>> funding
>>> >>
>>> >> for it, the distance does not matter and they have provided it for
>>> others.
>>> >> Contact Joann Wilson or Dr. Fred Schroder through NFB HQ and see
>>> >> what
>>> they
>>> >>
>>> >> say.  They are both former Directors of the RSA.
>>> >> Ask Kathy Davis as they sent her to Louisiana.
>>> >>
>>> >> David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>> >> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 8:21 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] CCB stay denied, please help
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> The only reason why they're denying me is because it's "too far
>> way."
>>> >>> If you read the quote closely, that's what they're doing.
>>> >>> Beth
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 3/8/10, David Evans <drevans at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Dear Beth,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> You have the Right, under the Freedom of Choice Provision of the
>>> >>>> Rehab Act of 1973 as amended, to attend the Rehab center of your
>>> >>>> choice.
>>> >>>> Dbs can not denie you, but they can refuse to pay any more of
>>> >>>> the cost than it would be to attend in state.  You would be
>>> >>>> responsible for the difference.  They could pay for it all, if
>>> >>>> they want to, and they have done it for others in the past.
>>> >>>> You don't have to justify it to them, except to say that is
>>> >>>> where you prefer to attend.
>>> >>>> There are certainly classes at CCB that can not be had in Florida.
>>> >>>> Wood Shop , rock climbing, Rural travel skills, etc, etc.
>>> >>>> Inquire
>>> with
>>> >>>> CCB
>>> >>>> and see what they do different than Florida and pick that in
>>> >>>> addition
>>> to
>>> >>>> everything else they teach.
>>> >>>> The State has sent people there before and also other places,
>>> >>>> out of state.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Write a complaint to the RSA in Washington about their violation
>>> >>>> of
>>> your
>>> >>>> Right to Choice.
>>> >>>> Hammer on them It is the same as a high school student picking a
>>> college
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> to
>>> >>>> go to attend.  If you believe they have a better program there
>>> >>>> than here, that is all you need.  There are no provisions within
>>> >>>> the Law that
>>> says
>>> >>>> that
>>> >>>> you have to prove that there is a difference.  The rest is just
>>> >>>> made
>>> up
>>> >>>> B.S.
>>> >>>> by D.B.S.
>>> >>>> I know, I helped get the Law passed back in 1991.
>>> >>>> It was one of the first bills, I as a member of the Florida
>>> >>>> delegation took to Congress at the Washington Seminar in 1991.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> They have sent a number of people from Florida to other centers
>>> >>>> out of state.
>>> >>>>  Why are they demining you?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
>>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>> >>>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>>> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 4:15 PM
>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] CCB stay denied, please help
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> What you will have to do is show them what you can get in
>>> >>>>> Colorado that you can't get in Florida.  You then have to
>>> >>>>> relate that to your plan and why it is necessary.  I know it
>>> >>>>> all seems like BS, but that is how the system works.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Dave
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> At 02:24 PM 3/8/2010, you wrote:
>>> >>>>>>Hi, guys.  I just got word from DBS that my stay at Colorado
>>> >>>>>>Center for the Blind was denied.  According to Beth Crain, my
>>> >>>>>>counselor,
>>> "DBS
>>> >>>>>>is not able to send someone that far away, when there are other
>>> >>>>>>options closer."  I call it bullshit and against my right to
>>> >>>>>>informed choice.  If any of you guys wants to help me with
>>> >>>>>>this, that would  be nice.
>>> >>>>>>Sincerely,
>>> >>>>>>Beth Taurasi
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
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