[Nfbf-l] CCB stay denied, please help

Fri Mar 12 20:18:08 UTC 2010

Beth, You are a brave woman! RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] CCB stay denied, please help


> Thanks for all the invaluable advice, guys.  I'll be looking forward
> to the phone convos with some of you and I'll do what RJ said.  Thanks
> you all.
> Beth
>
> On 3/12/10, RJ Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Beth, David's basically telling you the same thing I've been telling you 
>> on
>> skype. Your parents don't a blind person can do anything, and that you 
>> need
>> to be taken care of. I'm shure the NFB, could members could go in front 
>> of
>> the judge, and testaify of their own experiences as blind people. Beth, 
>> I'd
>> tell my lawyer about the NFB of Florida, and what they do. I'm shure your
>> Lawyer and the NFBF could work something out. Just Call david, when your
>> parents aren't home. Their's an NFBF chapter there at FSU, I think... so 
>> try
>> to go to some of the meetings. Just some Ideas! RJ
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 11:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] CCB stay denied, please help
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Dear Beth,
>>>
>>> You may need to remind your parents, that they will not be around 
>>> forever
>>> to take care of you and make decisions for you.
>>> They , don't believe that any blind person can be independent, because
>>> they don't know how THEY could live without their eye sight, therefore,
>>> they don't believe you, or any other Blind person can either.
>>> You can fight they interference and even they court order declaring you 
>>> as
>>>
>>> incompetent due to Blindness.
>>> This was very common in the past, just 80 years ago here in Florida.
>>> The state of Florida even had a policy of placing blind children in
>>> asylums for the insane as they, the government, believed that at some
>>> point every blind person would go insane and need to be 
>>> institutionalized.
>>>
>>> This is not true, but that was the policy and the mind set of the time.
>>> It is not easy to cut the apron strings sometimes, but if you keep at 
>>> it,
>>> and never stop pursuing your goal, you will succeed.
>>> The NFB has had to stand up for blind people many times into the past.
>>> We have helped blind couples fight for their rights to take their new 
>>> born
>>>
>>> baby home and raise it when hospital officials have tried to prevent 
>>> them
>>> because they did not believe that blind people could raise and care for 
>>> a
>>> baby.
>>> This is not different.
>>> If you want to keep your e-mails private, i would suggest that you set 
>>> up
>>> a user account and then password protect it.  That will keep your dad 
>>> from
>>>
>>> reading your e-mails.
>>> If you think you are right then you may need to fight for it.
>>> You can go and talk to a social work or a minister and ask them to help
>>> you and they can not talk to your parents without your permission.
>>> The best thing would be for you to meet more good blind people and have
>>> them meet your folks.
>>>
>>> If you need to talk to someone, you can call me at my home number to 
>>> talk.
>>>
>>> My services as a Peer Counselor are free.  Call me at (561) 482-5684 and
>>> if I am not home, leave message with a time, date and number when I can
>>> get back to you.
>>>
>>> David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
>>> Former Nuclear/Aerospace Materials Engineer
>>> Builder of the Lunar Rovers and the F-117 Stealth Fighter
>>> Governor's Select Task Force on Voting Access.
>>> The Florida HAVA State Planning Committee
>>> The Transportation Disadvantaged Local Coordination Board Palm Beach
>>> County
>>> South Florida Regional Transportation Authority/ Tri-Rail
>>> Legally Blind since age 16.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:07 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] CCB stay denied, please help
>>>
>>>
>>>> Her Parents went in front of a judge and had encapasatedher decleared
>>>> incompantatant!
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: <petercerullo at aol.com>
>>>> To: <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:29 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] CCB stay denied, please help
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Beth,
>>>>> I have been following this list serve dialog and believe that in my
>>>>> opinion it would be in your best interest if you sharpen up your
>>>>> independent living skills and prepare for that journey to Colorado.  I
>>>>> am
>>>>> sure that Kathy Davis and Carlos Montos will attest that these centers
>>>>> of
>>>>> training are intense regimented facilities and will not pamper you. 
>>>>> If
>>>>> you are serious enough and determined to want to include them into the
>>>>> construction of a strong foundation underneath your desire to reach a
>>>>> complete independent life then I suggest you rise above these small
>>>>> obstacles, use some tact and finesse, and convince your parents that 
>>>>> it
>>>>> is
>>>>> the best way to secure a good future to reach your independent life
>>>>> goals.
>>>>> Blessings of Peace & Joy,
>>>>> Peter Cerullo
>>>>> Vice President
>>>>> Greater Daytona Beach Chapter N.F.B.F.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Kathy Davis <kdavisnfbf at cfl.rr.com>
>>>>> To: 'NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List' <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 10:32 pm
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] CCB stay denied, please help
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Beth,
>>>>> How old are you now? I just can't remember considering how fast the
>>>>> years
>>>>> ly by. I guess my point is that if you are an adult, your parents
>>>>> shouldn't
>>>>> ave anything to do with your desire to go to the Colorado Center. I
>>>>> ouldn't take anything from having attended the Louisiana Center for 
>>>>> the
>>>>> lind. Both rehab programs are so empowering and by the time you 
>>>>> complete
>>>>> he program you will never have to return for further training. I am
>>>>> behind
>>>>> ou one hundred percent. Stick to your guns and go where you know you 
>>>>> can
>>>>> et the absolute best training in all aspects of your life.
>>>>> Kathy Davis
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> rom: nfbf-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbf-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> f Beth
>>>>> ent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:26 PM
>>>>> o: NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List
>>>>> ubject: Re: [Nfbf-l] CCB stay denied, please help
>>>>> Yes, Holly.  My parents want to make that decision for me.  But that's
>>>>> not
>>>>> oing to happen because of how they view me and other blind people.
>>>>> Their
>>>>> hing is I have a strong sense of entitlement.  Well, suppose I say 
>>>>> that
>>>>> all
>>>>> mericans have a strong sense of entitlement.
>>>>> o life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  I can't even pursue
>>>>> appiness without my life and liberty, and I can't pursue liberty 
>>>>> without
>>>>> ife.  All three principles that Americans live by are being violated 
>>>>> by
>>>>> his roadblock my parents are trying to put up.
>>>>> eth
>>>>> On 3/9/10, Holly <hbeanie at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Your Parents decision? Really?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I just spoke with Walter Blackman.  He said it was my parents'
>>>>>> decision-making that was hindering me from doing this.  He's going to
>>>>>> meet with me next Thursday.  I have to somehow get to the Terlington
>>>>>> Building downtown.
>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/9/10, RJ Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > I wonder what Craig Kiser would say about this? RJ
>>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> > From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
>>>>>> > To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 7:28 AM
>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] CCB stay denied, please help
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Dear Beth,
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Too far my foot.  How about services in Hawaii.  They can teach
>>>>>> >> you the Hula and they specialize in Hospitality and Travel
>>>>>> >> services training, which includes how to prepare a pig for a Louo
>>>>> east.
>>>>>> >> lets see them find that in the lesson plans at Daytona.
>>>>>> >> Keep pushing on them.  They are just stonewalling you and there is
>>>>>> funding
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> for it, the distance does not matter and they have provided it for
>>>>>> others.
>>>>>> >> Contact Joann Wilson or Dr. Fred Schroder through NFB HQ and see
>>>>>> >> what
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> say.  They are both former Directors of the RSA.
>>>>>> >> Ask Kathy Davis as they sent her to Louisiana.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
>>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> >> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>>>> >> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 8:21 PM
>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] CCB stay denied, please help
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>> The only reason why they're denying me is because it's "too far
>>>>> way."
>>>>>> >>> If you read the quote closely, that's what they're doing.
>>>>>> >>> Beth
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> On 3/8/10, David Evans <drevans at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Dear Beth,
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> You have the Right, under the Freedom of Choice Provision of the
>>>>>> >>>> Rehab Act of 1973 as amended, to attend the Rehab center of your
>>>>>> >>>> choice.
>>>>>> >>>> Dbs can not denie you, but they can refuse to pay any more of
>>>>>> >>>> the cost than it would be to attend in state.  You would be
>>>>>> >>>> responsible for the difference.  They could pay for it all, if
>>>>>> >>>> they want to, and they have done it for others in the past.
>>>>>> >>>> You don't have to justify it to them, except to say that is
>>>>>> >>>> where you prefer to attend.
>>>>>> >>>> There are certainly classes at CCB that can not be had in 
>>>>>> >>>> Florida.
>>>>>> >>>> Wood Shop , rock climbing, Rural travel skills, etc, etc.
>>>>>> >>>> Inquire
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> >>>> CCB
>>>>>> >>>> and see what they do different than Florida and pick that in
>>>>>> >>>> addition
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> >>>> everything else they teach.
>>>>>> >>>> The State has sent people there before and also other places,
>>>>>> >>>> out of state.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Write a complaint to the RSA in Washington about their violation
>>>>>> >>>> of
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> >>>> Right to Choice.
>>>>>> >>>> Hammer on them It is the same as a high school student picking a
>>>>>> college
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> to
>>>>>> >>>> go to attend.  If you believe they have a better program there
>>>>>> >>>> than here, that is all you need.  There are no provisions within
>>>>>> >>>> the Law that
>>>>>> says
>>>>>> >>>> that
>>>>>> >>>> you have to prove that there is a difference.  The rest is just
>>>>>> >>>> made
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> >>>> B.S.
>>>>>> >>>> by D.B.S.
>>>>>> >>>> I know, I helped get the Law passed back in 1991.
>>>>>> >>>> It was one of the first bills, I as a member of the Florida
>>>>>> >>>> delegation took to Congress at the Washington Seminar in 1991.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> They have sent a number of people from Florida to other centers
>>>>>> >>>> out of state.
>>>>>> >>>>  Why are they demining you?
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
>>>>>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> >>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>>>> >>>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> >>>> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 4:15 PM
>>>>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] CCB stay denied, please help
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> What you will have to do is show them what you can get in
>>>>>> >>>>> Colorado that you can't get in Florida.  You then have to
>>>>>> >>>>> relate that to your plan and why it is necessary.  I know it
>>>>>> >>>>> all seems like BS, but that is how the system works.
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> Dave
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> At 02:24 PM 3/8/2010, you wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>Hi, guys.  I just got word from DBS that my stay at Colorado
>>>>>> >>>>>>Center for the Blind was denied.  According to Beth Crain, my
>>>>>> >>>>>>counselor,
>>>>>> "DBS
>>>>>> >>>>>>is not able to send someone that far away, when there are other
>>>>>> >>>>>>options closer."  I call it bullshit and against my right to
>>>>>> >>>>>>informed choice.  If any of you guys wants to help me with
>>>>>> >>>>>>this, that would  be nice.
>>>>>> >>>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>>> >>>>>>Beth Taurasi
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
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