[Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! National ConventionOrlandomanyyearsto come!!!

Sherri flmom2006 at gmail.com
Sun Jul 10 17:27:25 UTC 2011 

Bill, I'm with you. As a guide dog user, it was difficult to find the relief 
area, since my dog just wanted to go to any set of doors. I too thought the 
bird cage would have actual bird sounds, but it did not, so I don't see the 
purpose. Maybe someone can describe it to us and its visual significance. My 
dog found the elevators for 4 through 10 every time except once. I also 
navigated through the areas several times with just my cane, as my dog 
needed a rest.

Sherri
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Kociaba" <williamkociaba at comcast.net>
To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! National 
ConventionOrlandomanyyearsto come!!!


> Hi Matt,
> I don't know you at all and have no idea how long you have been blind or 
> what you do now or what you did before.  I  will totally aggree with you 
> that the lobby area really offers very little in landmarks.  I read that 
> descriptive article about the hotel prior to leaving and was expecting to 
> hear a bunch of squacking birds in that birdcage.  I figured that was 
> going to be an obvious landmark to work from but never heard a peep from 
> it.  Once out of the lobby area though things weren't really too bad.  The 
> lower lobby was pretty simple if you kept your ears open and the 
> convention area as well.  I did have the advantage of a very smart dog who 
> knew how to find the elavators though. At least most of the time(LOL). The 
> fact that there were sevral sets of glass doors leading outside did make 
> it very hard to locate the relief area near the meeting rooms as well. 
> And no matter how indipendent everyone claims to be I heard plenty of 
> people asking, "where is...." right up to the last day. There were plenty 
> of hotel staff around and if you were having trouble and chose to not 
> ask...well then thats just being prideful and foolish.     On the other 
> hand I really found people screaming, "escalators over here" over and over 
> more of a distraction than a help. When things were quiet the sound of 
> those escalators was pretty obvious. I have been in hotels that were both 
> easier and more difficult to work through and always survived.If you hated 
> this one, don't try any of the casino propertys in Vegas or Reno that are 
> actually designed to make it hard to find your way out!  If this hotel and 
> its challenges keeps you away from the convention in the future that is 
> sad.  I came in contact with sevral O and M people during the course of 
> the week and I am sure that if you were to make contact with one of them 
> that they wouldn't mind spending a bit of time with you helping you to get 
> a better handle on things.
>
> On the subject of being "well adjusted"..I thought that one had been 
> exhausted already but if not, being well adjusted to anything does not 
> mean you are always happy and glad you have that issue it means accepting 
> it!  I heard someone use the word embrace it...I don't know how you can 
> embrace losing your sight but you surley can accept that it has happened 
> and at the moment there is nothing you or any of us can do about it...
> Can we please put the well adjusted and how bad the hotel was topics to 
> rest.  Seems they are getting beat to death.
>
> Bill Kociaba
> CRUISEONE
> Bill at Ycruise.com
> 954 227 7772 or Toll Free 877 227 7775
> 7600 Wiles Rd, Coral Springs, FL 33067
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Matt Roberts" <blindbiker at yahoo.com>
> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 7:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! National Convention 
> Orlandomanyyearsto come!!!
>
>
>>I need to respond to this.  YOu folksw on this group don't know me very 
>>well.  You think you do but you don't.  From now on, I'm simply going to 
>>keep my mouth shut! I won't say anything!
>> This place was extremely complex for me as an individual.  I was told by 
>> another blind person who has been at events here this place is difficult 
>> to navigate.  Places I see as complex take me a while to grasp.  If I 
>> can't form a mental picture in my mind of something, the item makes no 
>> sense to me.
>> IF you know *ONE* person who is *TOTALLY* adjusted to their blindness I"d 
>> certainly like to meet them.  You never can be totally adjusted to 
>> anything 100% of the time.
>>
>> Matt Roberts
>> 386-679-1986
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 9, 2011, at 1:27 PM, "Kirk" <kvharmon54 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Matt my friend, when will you start to accept your blindness and move
>>> forward without complaints? I have been listening to you complain about
>>> everything you are in contact with ever since you started commenting on 
>>> this
>>> site again. I have knoown you for many years and you have always had 
>>> such a
>>> negative attitude about most everything and it is truly not what is your
>>> perception of your surroundings as much as it is you and your negativity
>>> about life in general! Please get counseling or something so you can 
>>> start
>>> to move forward without such a negative attitude and perhaps your 
>>> comments
>>> would be more enjoyable to read. I had many friends of mine that were 
>>> there,
>>> as was I, and even the Totals with  me said once they learned their way
>>> around they thought it was easy to do and they loved the Hotel.I have to 
>>> say
>>> however, they all have a very positive attitude about life and have 
>>> accepted
>>> the fact that ,YES, they are in fact totally blind and things are 
>>> different
>>> but it doesn't have to be miserable to enhjoy their lives. You need to 
>>> get
>>> help to learn how to think positive about your life and quit complaining
>>> about all that  is around you. Once you embrace your blindness and it's
>>> lifestyle, then my friend, I feel you will  start to smile more and 
>>> frown a
>>> lot less! Matt, Just  one man's observation of you since I have known 
>>> you,
>>> and want you to try and understand that none of us need negativity in 
>>> our
>>> lives unnecessarily. Please try and change your attitude not just for
>>> yourself, but for all that is around and in contact with you! Your 
>>> friend in
>>> the cause, Kirk Harmon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Holly" <hbeanie at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 10:22 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! National Convention 
>>> Orlandomanyyears
>>> to come!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree , a positive attitude always helps. One may not like a situation 
>>> but
>>> the only thing you have control over is the way you react to it.
>>> Holly
>>>
>>> Holly
>>>
>>> On Jul 9, 2011 10:07 AM, "Denise Valkema" <valkemadenise at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> You can take a brown car right out lobby entrance for $5 for everyone in 
>>> car
>>> or ask a friend  who drives to take you to Publix.
>>>
>>> You can hook up with member or friend and get around together. You have 
>>> two
>>> years to work on solutions. A positive attitude helps, too.
>>>
>>>
>>> Denise
>>> -- Sent from Denise's Palm Pre
>>>
>>> On Jul 9, 2011 12:11 AM, Sherri <flmom2006 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I thought the hotel was really ...
>>>
>>> From: "Matt Roberts" <blindbiker at yahoo.com>
>>>
>>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nf...
>>> > On Jul 7, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Tara Prakash Tripathi wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >> What did you not like about this hotel?
>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>> > I found the layout extremely confusing.  I spent 1 hour just trying 
>>> to
>>> get
>>>
>>> > from the registration table to the elevators leading to my room. 
>>> When
>>>
>>> > you're trying to figure out where you are, where you want to go, 
>>> and
>>> dodge
>>>
>>> > people it's difficult.  I have no problem traveling, but from what 
>>> i
>>> can
>>>
>>> > tell there are no landmarks.  A week is not enough time to learn 
>>> this
>>>
>>> > hotel.  I'd need to spend a lot of time, and practice over and 
>>> over.
>>> I'm
>>>
>>> > with some friends and one of them is sighted.  I do let him guide 
>>> me,
>>> but
>>>
>>> > I should be able to pick up routes, since we always go the same 
>>> way.
>>> NOt
>>>
>>> > this hotel!
>>>
>>> > The food is very expensive, and there aren't any eating 
>>> establishments
>>>
>>> > nearby.  If you want to not pay a lot of money for food, you need a
>>> car.
>>>
>>> > I know Publix is across the street, but you have to get out to the
>>> road.
>>>
>>> > With my physical disability, I would not risk trying to walk that 
>>> far,
>>>
>>> > especially when no sidewalks exist.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> > Matt Roberts blindbiker at yahoo.com
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
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