[Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! NationalConventionOrlandomanyyearsto come!!!
Bill Kociaba
williamkociaba at comcast.net
Sun Jul 10 17:37:15 UTC 2011
Hi Sherri,
Weather the birdcage has any visual importance or not to people who could
see, using it as a landmark in that article was pretty misleading.
Otherwise it was helpful info. The lower lobby relief area was easy to find
after the first try. Only time my dog messed up with the elavators was
during rush hour times and she kind of fell into "follow" mode a few times.
Not her fault she was following people who didn't know where they were
going. This event was an eye opener for me concerning my dog. I was
concerned as I have not traveled with her at all since I brought her home
almost four years ago. This was also the first time I traveled alone since
I totally lost my vision. She performed so much better than I expected her
to. Many people told me to bring a cane as there would be times when she
would be beat and to just let her rest in the room. Even with the stress of
the whole event every time I headed for the door of my room she was there
wagging her tail ready to go. I never ended up using the cane at all.
Bill Kociaba
CRUISEONE
Bill at Ycruise.com
954 227 7772 or Toll Free 877 227 7775
7600 Wiles Rd, Coral Springs, FL 33067
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sherri" <flmom2006 at gmail.com>
To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! NationalConventionOrlandomanyyearsto
come!!!
> Bill, I'm with you. As a guide dog user, it was difficult to find the
> relief area, since my dog just wanted to go to any set of doors. I too
> thought the bird cage would have actual bird sounds, but it did not, so I
> don't see the purpose. Maybe someone can describe it to us and its visual
> significance. My dog found the elevators for 4 through 10 every time
> except once. I also navigated through the areas several times with just my
> cane, as my dog needed a rest.
>
> Sherri
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Kociaba" <williamkociaba at comcast.net>
> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! National
> ConventionOrlandomanyyearsto come!!!
>
>
>> Hi Matt,
>> I don't know you at all and have no idea how long you have been blind or
>> what you do now or what you did before. I will totally aggree with you
>> that the lobby area really offers very little in landmarks. I read that
>> descriptive article about the hotel prior to leaving and was expecting to
>> hear a bunch of squacking birds in that birdcage. I figured that was
>> going to be an obvious landmark to work from but never heard a peep from
>> it. Once out of the lobby area though things weren't really too bad.
>> The lower lobby was pretty simple if you kept your ears open and the
>> convention area as well. I did have the advantage of a very smart dog
>> who knew how to find the elavators though. At least most of the
>> time(LOL). The fact that there were sevral sets of glass doors leading
>> outside did make it very hard to locate the relief area near the meeting
>> rooms as well. And no matter how indipendent everyone claims to be I
>> heard plenty of people asking, "where is...." right up to the last day.
>> There were plenty of hotel staff around and if you were having trouble
>> and chose to not ask...well then thats just being prideful and foolish.
>> On the other hand I really found people screaming, "escalators over here"
>> over and over more of a distraction than a help. When things were quiet
>> the sound of those escalators was pretty obvious. I have been in hotels
>> that were both easier and more difficult to work through and always
>> survived.If you hated this one, don't try any of the casino propertys in
>> Vegas or Reno that are actually designed to make it hard to find your way
>> out! If this hotel and its challenges keeps you away from the convention
>> in the future that is sad. I came in contact with sevral O and M people
>> during the course of the week and I am sure that if you were to make
>> contact with one of them that they wouldn't mind spending a bit of time
>> with you helping you to get a better handle on things.
>>
>> On the subject of being "well adjusted"..I thought that one had been
>> exhausted already but if not, being well adjusted to anything does not
>> mean you are always happy and glad you have that issue it means accepting
>> it! I heard someone use the word embrace it...I don't know how you can
>> embrace losing your sight but you surley can accept that it has happened
>> and at the moment there is nothing you or any of us can do about it...
>> Can we please put the well adjusted and how bad the hotel was topics to
>> rest. Seems they are getting beat to death.
>>
>> Bill Kociaba
>> CRUISEONE
>> Bill at Ycruise.com
>> 954 227 7772 or Toll Free 877 227 7775
>> 7600 Wiles Rd, Coral Springs, FL 33067
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Matt Roberts" <blindbiker at yahoo.com>
>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 7:55 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! National Convention
>> Orlandomanyyearsto come!!!
>>
>>
>>>I need to respond to this. YOu folksw on this group don't know me very
>>>well. You think you do but you don't. From now on, I'm simply going to
>>>keep my mouth shut! I won't say anything!
>>> This place was extremely complex for me as an individual. I was told by
>>> another blind person who has been at events here this place is difficult
>>> to navigate. Places I see as complex take me a while to grasp. If I
>>> can't form a mental picture in my mind of something, the item makes no
>>> sense to me.
>>> IF you know *ONE* person who is *TOTALLY* adjusted to their blindness
>>> I"d certainly like to meet them. You never can be totally adjusted to
>>> anything 100% of the time.
>>>
>>> Matt Roberts
>>> 386-679-1986
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 9, 2011, at 1:27 PM, "Kirk" <kvharmon54 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Matt my friend, when will you start to accept your blindness and move
>>>> forward without complaints? I have been listening to you complain about
>>>> everything you are in contact with ever since you started commenting on
>>>> this
>>>> site again. I have knoown you for many years and you have always had
>>>> such a
>>>> negative attitude about most everything and it is truly not what is
>>>> your
>>>> perception of your surroundings as much as it is you and your
>>>> negativity
>>>> about life in general! Please get counseling or something so you can
>>>> start
>>>> to move forward without such a negative attitude and perhaps your
>>>> comments
>>>> would be more enjoyable to read. I had many friends of mine that were
>>>> there,
>>>> as was I, and even the Totals with me said once they learned their way
>>>> around they thought it was easy to do and they loved the Hotel.I have
>>>> to say
>>>> however, they all have a very positive attitude about life and have
>>>> accepted
>>>> the fact that ,YES, they are in fact totally blind and things are
>>>> different
>>>> but it doesn't have to be miserable to enhjoy their lives. You need to
>>>> get
>>>> help to learn how to think positive about your life and quit
>>>> complaining
>>>> about all that is around you. Once you embrace your blindness and it's
>>>> lifestyle, then my friend, I feel you will start to smile more and
>>>> frown a
>>>> lot less! Matt, Just one man's observation of you since I have known
>>>> you,
>>>> and want you to try and understand that none of us need negativity in
>>>> our
>>>> lives unnecessarily. Please try and change your attitude not just for
>>>> yourself, but for all that is around and in contact with you! Your
>>>> friend in
>>>> the cause, Kirk Harmon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Holly" <hbeanie at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 10:22 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! National Convention
>>>> Orlandomanyyears
>>>> to come!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree , a positive attitude always helps. One may not like a
>>>> situation but
>>>> the only thing you have control over is the way you react to it.
>>>> Holly
>>>>
>>>> Holly
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 9, 2011 10:07 AM, "Denise Valkema" <valkemadenise at aol.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You can take a brown car right out lobby entrance for $5 for everyone
>>>> in car
>>>> or ask a friend who drives to take you to Publix.
>>>>
>>>> You can hook up with member or friend and get around together. You have
>>>> two
>>>> years to work on solutions. A positive attitude helps, too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Denise
>>>> -- Sent from Denise's Palm Pre
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 9, 2011 12:11 AM, Sherri <flmom2006 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I thought the hotel was really ...
>>>>
>>>> From: "Matt Roberts" <blindbiker at yahoo.com>
>>>>
>>>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nf...
>>>> > On Jul 7, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Tara Prakash Tripathi wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> >> What did you not like about this hotel?
>>>>
>>>> >>
>>>>
>>>> >>
>>>>
>>>> > I found the layout extremely confusing. I spent 1 hour just
>>>> trying to
>>>> get
>>>>
>>>> > from the registration table to the elevators leading to my room.
>>>> When
>>>>
>>>> > you're trying to figure out where you are, where you want to go,
>>>> and
>>>> dodge
>>>>
>>>> > people it's difficult. I have no problem traveling, but from what
>>>> i
>>>> can
>>>>
>>>> > tell there are no landmarks. A week is not enough time to learn
>>>> this
>>>>
>>>> > hotel. I'd need to spend a lot of time, and practice over and
>>>> over.
>>>> I'm
>>>>
>>>> > with some friends and one of them is sighted. I do let him guide
>>>> me,
>>>> but
>>>>
>>>> > I should be able to pick up routes, since we always go the same
>>>> way.
>>>> NOt
>>>>
>>>> > this hotel!
>>>>
>>>> > The food is very expensive, and there aren't any eating
>>>> establishments
>>>>
>>>> > nearby. If you want to not pay a lot of money for food, you need
>>>> a
>>>> car.
>>>>
>>>> > I know Publix is across the street, but you have to get out to the
>>>> road.
>>>>
>>>> > With my physical disability, I would not risk trying to walk that
>>>> far,
>>>>
>>>> > especially when no sidewalks exist.
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Matt Roberts blindbiker at yahoo.com
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> >
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