[Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! National ConventionOrlandomanyyearsto come!!!
Jim Ellsworth
jellsworth1 at tampabay.rr.com
Sun Jul 10 20:19:44 UTC 2011
Hi Denise,
The bird's were there and they did make noise as you said but they were much
to quiet to be heard. We went right over to the cage and they could barely
be heard. They really don't make a very good reference point.
Thanks,
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: nfbf-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbf-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Denise Valkema
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 3:37 PM
To: NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! National
ConventionOrlandomanyyearsto come!!!
I could hear birds when lobby was quiet.
-- Sent from Denise's Palm Pre
On Jul 10, 2011 1:25 PM, Sherri <flmom2006 at gmail.com> wrote:
Bill, I'm with you. As a guide dog user, it was difficult to find the relief
area, since my dog just wanted to go to any set of doors. I too thought the
bird cage would have actual bird sounds, but it did not, so I don't see the
purpose. Maybe someone can describe it to us and its visual significance. My
dog found the elevators for 4 through 10 every time except once. I also
navigated through the areas several times with just my cane, as my dog
needed a rest.
Sherri
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Kociaba" <williamkociaba at comcast.net>
To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! National
ConventionOrlandomanyyearsto come!!!
> Hi Matt,
> I don't know you at all and have no idea how long you have been blind
or
> what you do now or what you did before. I will totally aggree with
you
> that the lobby area really offers very little in landmarks. I read
that
> descriptive article about the hotel prior to leaving and was expecting
to
> hear a bunch of squacking birds in that birdcage. I figured that was
> going to be an obvious landmark to work from but never heard a peep
from
> it. Once out of the lobby area though things weren't really too bad.
The
> lower lobby was pretty simple if you kept your ears open and the
> convention area as well. I did have the advantage of a very smart dog
who
> knew how to find the elavators though. At least most of the time(LOL).
The
> fact that there were sevral sets of glass doors leading outside did
make
> it very hard to locate the relief area near the meeting rooms as well.
> And no matter how indipendent everyone claims to be I heard plenty of
> people asking, "where is...." right up to the last day. There were
plenty
> of hotel staff around and if you were having trouble and chose to not
> ask...well then thats just being prideful and foolish. On the other
> hand I really found people screaming, "escalators over here" over and
over
> more of a distraction than a help. When things were quiet the sound of
> those escalators was pretty obvious. I have been in hotels that were
both
> easier and more difficult to work through and always survived.If you
hated
> this one, don't try any of the casino propertys in Vegas or Reno that
are
> actually designed to make it hard to find your way out! If this hotel
and
> its challenges keeps you away from the convention in the future that is
> sad. I came in contact with sevral O and M people during the course of
> the week and I am sure that if you were to make contact with one of
them
> that they wouldn't mind spending a bit of time with you helping you to
get
> a better handle on things.
>
> On the subject of being "well adjusted"..I thought that one had been
> exhausted already but if not, being well adjusted to anything does not
> mean you are always happy and glad you have that issue it means
accepting
> it! I heard someone use the word embrace it...I don't know how you can
> embrace losing your sight but you surley can accept that it has
happened
> and at the moment there is nothing you or any of us can do about it...
> Can we please put the well adjusted and how bad the hotel was topics to
> rest. Seems they are getting beat to death.
>
> Bill Kociaba
> CRUISEONE
> Bill at Ycruise.com
> 954 227 7772 or Toll Free 877 227 7775
> 7600 Wiles Rd, Coral Springs, FL 33067
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matt Roberts" <blindbiker at yahoo.com>
> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 7:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! National Convention
> Orlandomanyyearsto come!!!
>
>
>>I need to respond to this. YOu folksw on this group don't know me
very
>>well. You think you do but you don't. From now on, I'm simply
going to
>>keep my mouth shut! I won't say anything!
>> This place was extremely complex for me as an individual. I was
told by
>> another blind person who has been at events here this place is
difficult
>> to navigate. Places I see as complex take me a while to grasp. If
I
>> can't form a mental picture in my mind of something, the item makes
no
>> sense to me.
>> IF you know *ONE* person who is *TOTALLY* adjusted to their
blindness I"d
>> certainly like to meet them. You never can be totally adjusted to
>> anything 100% of the time.
>>
>> Matt Roberts
>> 386-679-1986
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 9, 2011, at 1:27 PM, "Kirk" <kvharmon54 at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>>> Matt my friend, when will you start to accept your blindness
and move
>>> forward without complaints? I have been listening to you
complain about
>>> everything you are in contact with ever since you started
commenting on
>>> this
>>> site again. I have knoown you for many years and you have
always had
>>> such a
>>> negative attitude about most everything and it is truly not
what is your
>>> perception of your surroundings as much as it is you and your
negativity
>>> about life in general! Please get counseling or something so
you can
>>> start
>>> to move forward without such a negative attitude and perhaps
your
>>> comments
>>> would be more enjoyable to read. I had many friends of mine
that were
>>> there,
>>> as was I, and even the Totals with me said once they learned
their way
>>> around they thought it was easy to do and they loved the
Hotel.I have to
>>> say
>>> however, they all have a very positive attitude about life and
have
>>> accepted
>>> the fact that ,YES, they are in fact totally blind and things
are
>>> different
>>> but it doesn't have to be miserable to enhjoy their lives. You
need to
>>> get
>>> help to learn how to think positive about your life and quit
complaining
>>> about all that is around you. Once you embrace your blindness
and it's
>>> lifestyle, then my friend, I feel you will start to smile more
and
>>> frown a
>>> lot less! Matt, Just one man's observation of you since I have
known
>>> you,
>>> and want you to try and understand that none of us need
negativity in
>>> our
>>> lives unnecessarily. Please try and change your attitude not
just for
>>> yourself, but for all that is around and in contact with you!
Your
>>> friend in
>>> the cause, Kirk Harmon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Holly" <hbeanie at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List"
<nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 10:22 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! National Convention
>>> Orlandomanyyears
>>> to come!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree , a positive attitude always helps. One may not like a
situation
>>> but
>>> the only thing you have control over is the way you react to
it.
>>> Holly
>>>
>>> Holly
>>>
>>> On Jul 9, 2011 10:07 AM, "Denise Valkema"
<valkemadenise at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> You can take a brown car right out lobby entrance for $5 for
everyone in
>>> car
>>> or ask a friend who drives to take you to Publix.
>>>
>>> You can hook up with member or friend and get around together.
You have
>>> two
>>> years to work on solutions. A positive attitude helps, too.
>>>
>>>
>>> Denise
>>> -- Sent from Denise's Palm Pre
>>>
>>> On Jul 9, 2011 12:11 AM, Sherri
<flmom2006 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I thought the hotel was really ...
>>>
>>> From: "Matt Roberts" <blindbiker at yahoo.com>
>>>
>>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nf...
>>> > On Jul 7, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Tara Prakash Tripathi
wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >> What did you not like about this hotel?
>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>> > I found the layout extremely confusing. I spent 1
hour just trying
>>> to
>>> get
>>>
>>> > from the registration table to the elevators leading
to my room.
>>> When
>>>
>>> > you're trying to figure out where you are, where you
want to go,
>>> and
>>> dodge
>>>
>>> > people it's difficult. I have no problem traveling,
but from what
>>> i
>>> can
>>>
>>> > tell there are no landmarks. A week is not enough
time to learn
>>> this
>>>
>>> > hotel. I'd need to spend a lot of time, and practice
over and
>>> over.
>>> I'm
>>>
>>> > with some friends and one of them is sighted. I do
let him guide
>>> me,
>>> but
>>>
>>> > I should be able to pick up routes, since we always go
the same
>>> way.
>>> NOt
>>>
>>> > this hotel!
>>>
>>> > The food is very expensive, and there aren't any
eating
>>> establishments
>>>
>>> > nearby. If you want to not pay a lot of money for
food, you need a
>>> car.
>>>
>>> > I know Publix is across the street, but you have to
get out to the
>>> road.
>>>
>>> > With my physical disability, I would not risk trying
to walk that
>>> far,
>>>
>>> > especially when no sidewalks exist.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> > Matt Roberts blindbiker at yahoo.com
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
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