[Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! National ConventionOrlandomanyyearsto come!!!
Patricia A. Lipovsky
plipovsky at cfl.rr.com
Sun Jul 10 21:48:07 UTC 2011
I found the bird cage, but only by accident. I never did hear them.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Denise Valkema" <valkemadenise at aol.com>
To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! National
ConventionOrlandomanyyearsto come!!!
>I could hear birds when lobby was quiet.
>
>
>
> -- Sent from Denise's Palm Pre
> On Jul 10, 2011 1:25 PM, Sherri <flmom2006 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Bill, I'm with you. As a guide dog user, it was difficult to find the
> relief
>
> area, since my dog just wanted to go to any set of doors. I too thought
> the
>
> bird cage would have actual bird sounds, but it did not, so I don't see
> the
>
> purpose. Maybe someone can describe it to us and its visual significance.
> My
>
> dog found the elevators for 4 through 10 every time except once. I also
>
> navigated through the areas several times with just my cane, as my dog
>
> needed a rest.
>
>
>
> Sherri
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Bill Kociaba" <williamkociaba at comcast.net>
>
> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>
> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:13 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! National
>
> ConventionOrlandomanyyearsto come!!!
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi Matt,
>
> > I don't know you at all and have no idea how long you have been blind
> or
>
> > what you do now or what you did before. I will totally aggree with
> you
>
> > that the lobby area really offers very little in landmarks. I read
> that
>
> > descriptive article about the hotel prior to leaving and was
> expecting to
>
> > hear a bunch of squacking birds in that birdcage. I figured that was
>
> > going to be an obvious landmark to work from but never heard a peep
> from
>
> > it. Once out of the lobby area though things weren't really too bad.
> The
>
> > lower lobby was pretty simple if you kept your ears open and the
>
> > convention area as well. I did have the advantage of a very smart
> dog who
>
> > knew how to find the elavators though. At least most of the
> time(LOL). The
>
> > fact that there were sevral sets of glass doors leading outside did
> make
>
> > it very hard to locate the relief area near the meeting rooms as
> well.
>
> > And no matter how indipendent everyone claims to be I heard plenty of
>
> > people asking, "where is...." right up to the last day. There were
> plenty
>
> > of hotel staff around and if you were having trouble and chose to not
>
> > ask...well then thats just being prideful and foolish. On the
> other
>
> > hand I really found people screaming, "escalators over here" over and
> over
>
> > more of a distraction than a help. When things were quiet the sound
> of
>
> > those escalators was pretty obvious. I have been in hotels that were
> both
>
> > easier and more difficult to work through and always survived.If you
> hated
>
> > this one, don't try any of the casino propertys in Vegas or Reno that
> are
>
> > actually designed to make it hard to find your way out! If this
> hotel and
>
> > its challenges keeps you away from the convention in the future that
> is
>
> > sad. I came in contact with sevral O and M people during the course
> of
>
> > the week and I am sure that if you were to make contact with one of
> them
>
> > that they wouldn't mind spending a bit of time with you helping you
> to get
>
> > a better handle on things.
>
> >
>
> > On the subject of being "well adjusted"..I thought that one had been
>
> > exhausted already but if not, being well adjusted to anything does
> not
>
> > mean you are always happy and glad you have that issue it means
> accepting
>
> > it! I heard someone use the word embrace it...I don't know how you
> can
>
> > embrace losing your sight but you surley can accept that it has
> happened
>
> > and at the moment there is nothing you or any of us can do about
> it...
>
> > Can we please put the well adjusted and how bad the hotel was topics
> to
>
> > rest. Seems they are getting beat to death.
>
> >
>
> > Bill Kociaba
>
> > CRUISEONE
>
> > Bill at Ycruise.com
>
> > 954 227 7772 or Toll Free 877 227 7775
>
> > 7600 Wiles Rd, Coral Springs, FL 33067
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
>
> > From: "Matt Roberts" <blindbiker at yahoo.com>
>
> > To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 7:55 AM
>
> > Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! National Convention
>
> > Orlandomanyyearsto come!!!
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >>I need to respond to this. YOu folksw on this group don't know me
> very
>
> >>well. You think you do but you don't. From now on, I'm simply
> going to
>
> >>keep my mouth shut! I won't say anything!
>
> >> This place was extremely complex for me as an individual. I was
> told by
>
> >> another blind person who has been at events here this place is
> difficult
>
> >> to navigate. Places I see as complex take me a while to grasp.
> If I
>
> >> can't form a mental picture in my mind of something, the item
> makes no
>
> >> sense to me.
>
> >> IF you know *ONE* person who is *TOTALLY* adjusted to their
> blindness I"d
>
> >> certainly like to meet them. You never can be totally adjusted
> to
>
> >> anything 100% of the time.
>
> >>
>
> >> Matt Roberts
>
> >> 386-679-1986
>
> >>
>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
>
> >>
>
> >> On Jul 9, 2011, at 1:27 PM, "Kirk" <kvharmon54 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>> Matt my friend, when will you start to accept your blindness
> and move
>
> >>> forward without complaints? I have been listening to you
> complain about
>
> >>> everything you are in contact with ever since you started
> commenting on
>
> >>> this
>
> >>> site again. I have knoown you for many years and you have
> always had
>
> >>> such a
>
> >>> negative attitude about most everything and it is truly not
> what is your
>
> >>> perception of your surroundings as much as it is you and your
> negativity
>
> >>> about life in general! Please get counseling or something so
> you can
>
> >>> start
>
> >>> to move forward without such a negative attitude and perhaps
> your
>
> >>> comments
>
> >>> would be more enjoyable to read. I had many friends of mine
> that were
>
> >>> there,
>
> >>> as was I, and even the Totals with me said once they learned
> their way
>
> >>> around they thought it was easy to do and they loved the
> Hotel.I have to
>
> >>> say
>
> >>> however, they all have a very positive attitude about life
> and have
>
> >>> accepted
>
> >>> the fact that ,YES, they are in fact totally blind and things
> are
>
> >>> different
>
> >>> but it doesn't have to be miserable to enhjoy their lives.
> You need to
>
> >>> get
>
> >>> help to learn how to think positive about your life and quit
> complaining
>
> >>> about all that is around you. Once you embrace your
> blindness and it's
>
> >>> lifestyle, then my friend, I feel you will start to smile
> more and
>
> >>> frown a
>
> >>> lot less! Matt, Just one man's observation of you since I
> have known
>
> >>> you,
>
> >>> and want you to try and understand that none of us need
> negativity in
>
> >>> our
>
> >>> lives unnecessarily. Please try and change your attitude not
> just for
>
> >>> yourself, but for all that is around and in contact with you!
> Your
>
> >>> friend in
>
> >>> the cause, Kirk Harmon
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>
> >>> From: "Holly" <hbeanie at gmail.com>
>
> >>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List"
> <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 10:22 AM
>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! National Convention
>
> >>> Orlandomanyyears
>
> >>> to come!!!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> I agree , a positive attitude always helps. One may not like
> a situation
>
> >>> but
>
> >>> the only thing you have control over is the way you react to
> it.
>
> >>> Holly
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Holly
>
> >>>
>
> >>> On Jul 9, 2011 10:07 AM, "Denise Valkema"
> <valkemadenise at aol.com> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>> You can take a brown car right out lobby entrance for $5 for
> everyone in
>
> >>> car
>
> >>> or ask a friend who drives to take you to Publix.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> You can hook up with member or friend and get around
> together. You have
>
> >>> two
>
> >>> years to work on solutions. A positive attitude helps, too.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Denise
>
> >>> -- Sent from Denise's Palm Pre
>
> >>>
>
> >>> On Jul 9, 2011 12:11 AM, Sherri
> <flmom2006 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>> I thought the hotel was really ...
>
> >>>
>
> >>> From: "Matt Roberts" <blindbiker at yahoo.com>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nf...
>
> >>> > On Jul 7, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Tara Prakash Tripathi
> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>> >
>
> >>>
>
> >>> >> What did you not like about this hotel?
>
> >>>
>
> >>> >>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> >>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> > I found the layout extremely confusing. I spent 1
> hour just trying
>
> >>> to
>
> >>> get
>
> >>>
>
> >>> > from the registration table to the elevators leading
> to my room.
>
> >>> When
>
> >>>
>
> >>> > you're trying to figure out where you are, where you
> want to go,
>
> >>> and
>
> >>> dodge
>
> >>>
>
> >>> > people it's difficult. I have no problem traveling,
> but from what
>
> >>> i
>
> >>> can
>
> >>>
>
> >>> > tell there are no landmarks. A week is not enough
> time to learn
>
> >>> this
>
> >>>
>
> >>> > hotel. I'd need to spend a lot of time, and
> practice over and
>
> >>> over.
>
> >>> I'm
>
> >>>
>
> >>> > with some friends and one of them is sighted. I do
> let him guide
>
> >>> me,
>
> >>> but
>
> >>>
>
> >>> > I should be able to pick up routes, since we always
> go the same
>
> >>> way.
>
> >>> NOt
>
> >>>
>
> >>> > this hotel!
>
> >>>
>
> >>> > The food is very expensive, and there aren't any
> eating
>
> >>> establishments
>
> >>>
>
> >>> > nearby. If you want to not pay a lot of money for
> food, you need a
>
> >>> car.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> > I know Publix is across the street, but you have to
> get out to the
>
> >>> road.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> > With my physical disability, I would not risk trying
> to walk that
>
> >>> far,
>
> >>>
>
> >>> > especially when no sidewalks exist.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> >
>
> >>>
>
> >>> >
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> > Matt Roberts blindbiker at yahoo.com
>
> >>>
>
> >>> >
>
> >>>
>
> >>> >
>
> >>>
>
> >>> >
>
> >>>
>
> >>> >
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> >>>
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> >>> >
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