[Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! National ConventionOrlandomanyyearsto come!!!
Jim Ellsworth
jellsworth1 at tampabay.rr.com
Sun Jul 10 23:22:28 UTC 2011
Hi Patricia,
If you were real close and it happened to be quiet you might have heard them
as we did but they make some pretty soft sounds.
Thanks,
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: nfbf-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbf-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Patricia A. Lipovsky
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 5:48 PM
To: NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! National
ConventionOrlandomanyyearsto come!!!
I found the bird cage, but only by accident. I never did hear them.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Denise Valkema" <valkemadenise at aol.com>
To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! National
ConventionOrlandomanyyearsto come!!!
>I could hear birds when lobby was quiet.
>
>
>
> -- Sent from Denise's Palm Pre
> On Jul 10, 2011 1:25 PM, Sherri <flmom2006 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Bill, I'm with you. As a guide dog user, it was difficult to find the
> relief
>
> area, since my dog just wanted to go to any set of doors. I too thought
> the
>
> bird cage would have actual bird sounds, but it did not, so I don't see
> the
>
> purpose. Maybe someone can describe it to us and its visual significance.
> My
>
> dog found the elevators for 4 through 10 every time except once. I also
>
> navigated through the areas several times with just my cane, as my dog
>
> needed a rest.
>
>
>
> Sherri
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Bill Kociaba" <williamkociaba at comcast.net>
>
> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>
> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:13 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! National
>
> ConventionOrlandomanyyearsto come!!!
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi Matt,
>
> > I don't know you at all and have no idea how long you have been blind
> or
>
> > what you do now or what you did before. I will totally aggree with
> you
>
> > that the lobby area really offers very little in landmarks. I read
> that
>
> > descriptive article about the hotel prior to leaving and was
> expecting to
>
> > hear a bunch of squacking birds in that birdcage. I figured that was
>
> > going to be an obvious landmark to work from but never heard a peep
> from
>
> > it. Once out of the lobby area though things weren't really too bad.
> The
>
> > lower lobby was pretty simple if you kept your ears open and the
>
> > convention area as well. I did have the advantage of a very smart
> dog who
>
> > knew how to find the elavators though. At least most of the
> time(LOL). The
>
> > fact that there were sevral sets of glass doors leading outside did
> make
>
> > it very hard to locate the relief area near the meeting rooms as
> well.
>
> > And no matter how indipendent everyone claims to be I heard plenty of
>
> > people asking, "where is...." right up to the last day. There were
> plenty
>
> > of hotel staff around and if you were having trouble and chose to not
>
> > ask...well then thats just being prideful and foolish. On the
> other
>
> > hand I really found people screaming, "escalators over here" over and
> over
>
> > more of a distraction than a help. When things were quiet the sound
> of
>
> > those escalators was pretty obvious. I have been in hotels that were
> both
>
> > easier and more difficult to work through and always survived.If you
> hated
>
> > this one, don't try any of the casino propertys in Vegas or Reno that
> are
>
> > actually designed to make it hard to find your way out! If this
> hotel and
>
> > its challenges keeps you away from the convention in the future that
> is
>
> > sad. I came in contact with sevral O and M people during the course
> of
>
> > the week and I am sure that if you were to make contact with one of
> them
>
> > that they wouldn't mind spending a bit of time with you helping you
> to get
>
> > a better handle on things.
>
> >
>
> > On the subject of being "well adjusted"..I thought that one had been
>
> > exhausted already but if not, being well adjusted to anything does
> not
>
> > mean you are always happy and glad you have that issue it means
> accepting
>
> > it! I heard someone use the word embrace it...I don't know how you
> can
>
> > embrace losing your sight but you surley can accept that it has
> happened
>
> > and at the moment there is nothing you or any of us can do about
> it...
>
> > Can we please put the well adjusted and how bad the hotel was topics
> to
>
> > rest. Seems they are getting beat to death.
>
> >
>
> > Bill Kociaba
>
> > CRUISEONE
>
> > Bill at Ycruise.com
>
> > 954 227 7772 or Toll Free 877 227 7775
>
> > 7600 Wiles Rd, Coral Springs, FL 33067
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
>
> > From: "Matt Roberts" <blindbiker at yahoo.com>
>
> > To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 7:55 AM
>
> > Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! National Convention
>
> > Orlandomanyyearsto come!!!
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >>I need to respond to this. YOu folksw on this group don't know me
> very
>
> >>well. You think you do but you don't. From now on, I'm simply
> going to
>
> >>keep my mouth shut! I won't say anything!
>
> >> This place was extremely complex for me as an individual. I was
> told by
>
> >> another blind person who has been at events here this place is
> difficult
>
> >> to navigate. Places I see as complex take me a while to grasp.
> If I
>
> >> can't form a mental picture in my mind of something, the item
> makes no
>
> >> sense to me.
>
> >> IF you know *ONE* person who is *TOTALLY* adjusted to their
> blindness I"d
>
> >> certainly like to meet them. You never can be totally adjusted
> to
>
> >> anything 100% of the time.
>
> >>
>
> >> Matt Roberts
>
> >> 386-679-1986
>
> >>
>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
>
> >>
>
> >> On Jul 9, 2011, at 1:27 PM, "Kirk" <kvharmon54 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>> Matt my friend, when will you start to accept your blindness
> and move
>
> >>> forward without complaints? I have been listening to you
> complain about
>
> >>> everything you are in contact with ever since you started
> commenting on
>
> >>> this
>
> >>> site again. I have knoown you for many years and you have
> always had
>
> >>> such a
>
> >>> negative attitude about most everything and it is truly not
> what is your
>
> >>> perception of your surroundings as much as it is you and your
> negativity
>
> >>> about life in general! Please get counseling or something so
> you can
>
> >>> start
>
> >>> to move forward without such a negative attitude and perhaps
> your
>
> >>> comments
>
> >>> would be more enjoyable to read. I had many friends of mine
> that were
>
> >>> there,
>
> >>> as was I, and even the Totals with me said once they learned
> their way
>
> >>> around they thought it was easy to do and they loved the
> Hotel.I have to
>
> >>> say
>
> >>> however, they all have a very positive attitude about life
> and have
>
> >>> accepted
>
> >>> the fact that ,YES, they are in fact totally blind and things
> are
>
> >>> different
>
> >>> but it doesn't have to be miserable to enhjoy their lives.
> You need to
>
> >>> get
>
> >>> help to learn how to think positive about your life and quit
> complaining
>
> >>> about all that is around you. Once you embrace your
> blindness and it's
>
> >>> lifestyle, then my friend, I feel you will start to smile
> more and
>
> >>> frown a
>
> >>> lot less! Matt, Just one man's observation of you since I
> have known
>
> >>> you,
>
> >>> and want you to try and understand that none of us need
> negativity in
>
> >>> our
>
> >>> lives unnecessarily. Please try and change your attitude not
> just for
>
> >>> yourself, but for all that is around and in contact with you!
> Your
>
> >>> friend in
>
> >>> the cause, Kirk Harmon
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>
> >>> From: "Holly" <hbeanie at gmail.com>
>
> >>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List"
> <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 10:22 AM
>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! National Convention
>
> >>> Orlandomanyyears
>
> >>> to come!!!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> I agree , a positive attitude always helps. One may not like
> a situation
>
> >>> but
>
> >>> the only thing you have control over is the way you react to
> it.
>
> >>> Holly
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Holly
>
> >>>
>
> >>> On Jul 9, 2011 10:07 AM, "Denise Valkema"
> <valkemadenise at aol.com> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>> You can take a brown car right out lobby entrance for $5 for
> everyone in
>
> >>> car
>
> >>> or ask a friend who drives to take you to Publix.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> You can hook up with member or friend and get around
> together. You have
>
> >>> two
>
> >>> years to work on solutions. A positive attitude helps, too.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Denise
>
> >>> -- Sent from Denise's Palm Pre
>
> >>>
>
> >>> On Jul 9, 2011 12:11 AM, Sherri
> <flmom2006 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>> I thought the hotel was really ...
>
> >>>
>
> >>> From: "Matt Roberts" <blindbiker at yahoo.com>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nf...
>
> >>> > On Jul 7, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Tara Prakash Tripathi
> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>> >
>
> >>>
>
> >>> >> What did you not like about this hotel?
>
> >>>
>
> >>> >>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> >>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> > I found the layout extremely confusing. I spent 1
> hour just trying
>
> >>> to
>
> >>> get
>
> >>>
>
> >>> > from the registration table to the elevators leading
> to my room.
>
> >>> When
>
> >>>
>
> >>> > you're trying to figure out where you are, where you
> want to go,
>
> >>> and
>
> >>> dodge
>
> >>>
>
> >>> > people it's difficult. I have no problem traveling,
> but from what
>
> >>> i
>
> >>> can
>
> >>>
>
> >>> > tell there are no landmarks. A week is not enough
> time to learn
>
> >>> this
>
> >>>
>
> >>> > hotel. I'd need to spend a lot of time, and
> practice over and
>
> >>> over.
>
> >>> I'm
>
> >>>
>
> >>> > with some friends and one of them is sighted. I do
> let him guide
>
> >>> me,
>
> >>> but
>
> >>>
>
> >>> > I should be able to pick up routes, since we always
> go the same
>
> >>> way.
>
> >>> NOt
>
> >>>
>
> >>> > this hotel!
>
> >>>
>
> >>> > The food is very expensive, and there aren't any
> eating
>
> >>> establishments
>
> >>>
>
> >>> > nearby. If you want to not pay a lot of money for
> food, you need a
>
> >>> car.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> > I know Publix is across the street, but you have to
> get out to the
>
> >>> road.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> > With my physical disability, I would not risk trying
> to walk that
>
> >>> far,
>
> >>>
>
> >>> > especially when no sidewalks exist.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> >
>
> >>>
>
> >>> >
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> > Matt Roberts blindbiker at yahoo.com
>
> >>>
>
> >>> >
>
> >>>
>
> >>> >
>
> >>>
>
> >>> >
>
> >>>
>
> >>> >
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> >>>
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> >>> >
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