[Nfbf-l] VR Plan and goal

RJ Sandefur joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
Sun Oct 30 01:51:27 UTC 2011 

I emailed some one in the corrections field, about becoming a prison 
Chaplin. I also found some information that gives the qualifications. They 
want you to have a bachelors degree in religion, I have a masters, they want 
you to be ordained... that hasn't happened yet. RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kathy Roskos" <kroskos at cox.net>
To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] VR Plan and goal


> R.J.
>
> I ran into a problem like this back in the 1980's.  I went to college and 
> received a Master's degree in visual disabilities, but wasn't having any 
> luck finding a job, so I trained to be a medical transcriptionist.  When I 
> told DBS I would be looking for jobs in either field, they told me I had 
> to choose, and they would only support me in one.  I argued that the more 
> skills I had, the better chance of finding a job, but was told if I 
> concentrated on both areas at the same time, I would never find anything. 
> I told them I respected their opinions, but whatever goal they chose to 
> support me in was fine, but I would continue to pursue the other skills I 
> had for myself.
>
> As it turned out, I have ended up doing part-time work in both fields at 
> the same time, and DBS did support me in my needs for both jobs.
>
> You need to stand your ground, and let them know that whatever they choose 
> for you, you will independently pursue your own convictions.
>
> Follow your dreams.  Everyone has the right to try to make their goals for 
> themselves come true, whether you succeed or not.  You'll never know if 
> you don't try.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 7:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] VR Plan and goal
>
>
>> Well DBS is only going by what the federal government requires when it 
>> says they only will support only one goal. I am of the opinion the 
>> rehabilitation act of 1973 regarding blind services should totally be 
>> rewritten, and we the blind should make this happen! My mobility 
>> instructor Steve Matson, works for the light house of the palm beaches, 
>> but he supports structured discovery and so does my rehabilitation 
>> teacher Diane! The issue is settled I'm going for the ministry, and if 
>> DBS try's to fight me on it, can I count on the NFB to stand with me on 
>> the barricades? RJ
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Tara Prakash" <taraprakash at gmail.com>
>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 6:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] VR Plan and goal
>>
>>
>>> So, what exactly they are spending money on before RJ has a job offer? 
>>> If he has a job offer, he is certainly qualified to do it irrespective 
>>> his degrees.
>>> Once he has a job offer he should be supported whatever that job 
>>> requires. Today there is so much need for us to be versatile. What if RJ 
>>> has 3 masters degrees and due to the bad job market he is willing to 
>>> take any job possible. Is it in the spirit of making the blind employed 
>>> that DBS supports only the job outlined in his plan? If NFBF leadership 
>>> has nothing against that policy, well, we will have to think again. This 
>>> is how it happens is not a good enough response from an organization 
>>> like ours, that is otherwise known to be aggressive.
>>> I do agree that DBS should be concerned about the plan when it is 
>>> investing in preparing the individual for the job stated in the plan. 
>>> But, for the cases like RJ's, it doesn't make sense to be fixated on a 
>>> single job.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Sherri" <flmom2006 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 4:48 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] VR Plan and goal
>>>
>>>
>>>> They are spending money to implement your job plan so I guess they need 
>>>> to know what kind of job you are looking for. I do agree though Tara 
>>>> with most of what you said. You know, I got help for transcription 
>>>> years and years ago without going through any rehab in Florida. That is 
>>>> because I proved I completed it in another state. I have spent time at 
>>>> Lighthouse to learn Windows, but learned much more for myself than I 
>>>> did with them.
>>>>
>>>> Sherri
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Tara Prakash" <taraprakash at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 3:58 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] VR Plan and goal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I am not sure why should your DBS guy be concerned what your vocational 
>>>>>goals are. After all you have degrees, so they don't have to pay for 
>>>>>your studies. Besides, they don't pay for anything unless you have a 
>>>>>job offer. Not that they won't behave like a bureaucrat. You will have 
>>>>>to take the fight, and I have realized being in Orlando for a while, 
>>>>>you have to face that fight alone in Florida. You may have to pay 
>>>>>several visits to Light House, the fountainhead of all kind of light 
>>>>>and knowledge, before being accepted and then you will have to show the 
>>>>>"experts" in the lighthouse whether you were slogging your ... off to 
>>>>>get that job.
>>>>> Welcome to the world where you are suspected of not being serious of 
>>>>> finding a job for yourself, where what is good for you is decided by 
>>>>> the experts.
>>>>> And, but seriously, good luck. Ministery should be a great fit for 
>>>>> you, you are surely going to get a job despite DBS and LightHouse.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 11:47 AM
>>>>> Subject: [Nfbf-l] VR Plan and goal
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Guys, I'm meeting with VR councilor on Tuesday. I'm kind of ify about 
>>>>>> putting ministry as a vocational goal even though I have a masters 
>>>>>> degree in the area. I have a bacholars degree in crinimal justice, 
>>>>>> but that's turned me off. I don't want to put ministry down as a 
>>>>>> vocational goal, because they'll say, that ministry is not a 
>>>>>> realistic goal. I was reading the DBS vocational manuel, and they 
>>>>>> said something about a comprehencive accessment IPE. "4.5 
>>>>>> Comprehensive Assessment IPE
>>>>>> For those individuals for whom some vocational rehabilitation service 
>>>>>> needs can be identified, but a long-term employment outcome is 
>>>>>> uncertain, a comprehensive assessment IPE may be developed for 
>>>>>> purposes of determining an employment outcome and other required VR 
>>>>>> services needed to reach an employment outcome." Any advice on what I 
>>>>>> should do? RJ
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