[nfbmi-talk] Fw: A History of Muslim Inventions.

Tue Jul 5 20:15:32 UTC 2011

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Claude Everett" <ceverett at dslextreme.com>
To: "'Blind Democracy Discussion List'" <blind-democracy at octothorp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 3:43 PM
Subject: RE: A History of Muslim Inventions.

Extremism and a religion of declarations of truths which are taught to be
unequivocal is a prescription of intolerance.

Regards,
Claude Everett
Everyone has a disability, some are more aware of it than others.
"The ruling class makes the wars, the working class fights them"
-Eugene Debs

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[mailto:blind-democracy-bounces at octothorp.org] On Behalf Of joe harcz
Comcast
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 11:32 AM
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Subject: Re: A History of Muslim Inventions.

Nor am I ...

All religions and all religiounists have good and bad characteristics that
are demonstrable in the historic record. And even in our daily
inter-changes.

Alice certainly can speak for herself, but I do think that extreme,
fundamentalists of all stripes whether Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu et
al become the problem and ironically bely ultimately wht they are trying to
promote in the first place.

Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Claude Everett" <ceverett at dslextreme.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 1:49 PM
Subject: RE: A History of Muslim Inventions.

I am not just speaking of "Christians"!

Regards,
Claude Everett
Everyone has a disability, some are more aware of it than others.
"The ruling class makes the wars, the working class fights them"
-Eugene Debs

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[mailto:blind-democracy-bounces at octothorp.org] On Behalf Of alice dampman
humel
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 10:46 AM
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Subject: Re: A History of Muslim Inventions.

but you can't tar all with the same brush, and anyway, it's the "radical
right" portion of this sadly increasing group's designation that creates the
problem. They perform better and more miracles than their  own proclaimed
lord and savior: he only turned water into wine, but they turn black into
white, day into night, love into hatred, "love your neighbor" into hideous
bigotry and xenophobia, forgiveness into damnation, and much much more all
before lunch on any random Tuesday.
    and popularity is a pretty unreliable yardstick with which to measure
the value of almost anything: look how popular McDonald's is, for example,
and it's nothing but pure poison, not to mention unpalatable slop. But how
many gazillion sold to date?
Alice
alicedh at verizon.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Claude Everett" <ceverett at dslextreme.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 1:28 PM
Subject: RE: A History of Muslim Inventions.

Yes, you may be correct; however, the radical right of all mainstream
"religions", have a taught and unspoken  intolerance which in my mind is
abhorrent and anathema to what you speak.  And unfortunately these branches
of these religions  are growing in popularity.

Regards,
Claude Everett
Everyone has a disability, some are more aware of it than others.
"The ruling class makes the wars, the working class fights them"
-Eugene Debs

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[mailto:blind-democracy-bounces at octothorp.org] On Behalf Of Charles Crawford
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:17 AM
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Subject: Re: A History of Muslim Inventions.

Hi Carl,

         I cannot resist pointing out that your interpretation of religion
and its destructive influence in all its forms is highly doctrinaire and in
my opinion, misses the underlying value of faith.  Surely a faith that
maintains acceptance of others from whence they come is hardly negative.  In
fact the essence of Christianity as I understand it is to not judge others
unless we are willing to be so judged ourselves.  The libberating power of
this position in my view is just very fantastic.  So while I accept what you
say as your opinion, I am hopeful that the day will come when you find God
to be real and loving enough to have let you do your thing with a constant
invitation for you to come home to him.

         That is the kind of faith that I wish for all and the kind of faith
that you have pointed out to be so destructive is faith used as an excuse to
accomplish the self serving interest of those who hold the strings.  that is
not the faith I know.

--   Charlie.

At 04:07 PM 7/3/2011, you wrote:
>Roger,
>Well, you got a jump on me.  I had to spend years trying to be a good
>God fearing Christian before coming to the logical conclusion that Make
>Believe is make believe whether we are pretending there is a Santa
>Clause, a Tooth Fairy or a God.
>But as I said, I came to this conclusion from within the church.
>At
>one point I decided that the church was ineffectual because people were
>not truly committed to their beliefs.  So I became Baptized in the Holy
>Spirit, discovered that I could speak in tongues and had a few very
>distinct Visions.  These were interesting years, but finally I came to
>a place where the contradictions far outweighed the explanations.
>My dad figured it out by the time he was 10 or 11.  My wife, raised
>Catholic, had it figured by 16.  Me?  I'm a slow learner.
>But there is no denying God's influence on Mankind, whether we invented
>Him or He invented us.  Worshiping a dictator, a super being, a jealous
>God who will tolerate no descent sets us up to seek out similar
>leaders.  The undercurrents of religion are everywhere.  And they are
>not constructive as folks want to believe.  They are destructive,
>tearing us apart and setting neighbor upon neighbor.  Not for any
>rational reason.  But because our neighbor does not believe exactly as
>we do.
>
>Carl Jarvis
>
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